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1956       Romany 20, 23-R
1957       20-R, 23-R, 27, 27-T

Model Length  Sugg. List  Serial #  Weight
20 Rambler  20' $3,095700 up2,300
23 Rover 23' $3,650510 up 2,700
26 Regal 26' $4,250900 up 3,300
26 Regal T 26' $4,450900 up3,500
Official Mobile Home Market Report, May 1 1965

1958       20, 23, 26, 30

Model Length  Sugg. List  Serial #  Weight   
20 Explorer   20' $3,0951000 up2,300
23 Rover 23' $3,6952000 up 2,700
26 Regal 26' $4,350 3000 up 3,300
26 Regal Tdm26' $4,4503000 up  3,500
30 Imperial 30' $5,4854000 up3,950
Official Mobile Home Market Report, May 1 1963

1959       20, 23, 26, 30

Model Length  Sugg. List  Serial #  Weight   
Explorer20' $3,1501008 up 2,300
Rover 23' $3,8502039 up2,700
Regal 26' $4,395 3047 up 3,300
Regal Tdm   26' $4,6343047 up 3,500
Imperial 30' $5,285 4001 up3,950
Official Mobile Home Market Report, May 1 1963

1960      The Files for the 1960 Avion Brochure and Models are very slow to load but worth the wait.
              20' Tourist — $3,480.00; 21' Sportsman — $3,490.00, 24' Holiday — models H-24TB, H-24DB — $4,213.00;
              27' Travelcader — models T-27TB, T-27DB $4,707.00; 30' Imperial — models 1-30TB, 1-30DB $5,587.00
              (Models and original prices from Mike Mead). (1960 Brochure from Lance Kaun)

  Model   Length     Sugg. List     Serial #    Weight   
  21     21'  $3,295 1200  2,430
  24     24'  $3,975 2200  2,780
  27     27'  $4,475 3200  3,390
  27 Tdm    27'  $4,714 3200  3,640
  30 Tdm     30'  $5,385 4220   3,950
  Official Mobile Home Market Report, May 1 1963

1961      20, 21, 24, 37, 30

  Model   Length     Sugg. List     Serial #    Weight   
  Tourist  20     20'  $3,480 1412  2,680
  Sportsman 21     21'  $3,490 1220  2,430
  Holiday 24     24'  $4,213 2300  3,010
  Travelcader 27     27'  $4,707 3217  3,390
  Imperial 30     30'  $5,587 4220   3,950
  Official Mobile Home Market Report, May 1 1963

1962      20, 24, 27, 30

  Model   Length     Sugg. List     Serial #    Weight   
  Tourist  20     20'  $3,585 1540  2,680
  Holiday 24     24'  $4,360 2516  3,010
  Travelcader 27     27'  $4,781 3362  3,390
  Imperial 30     30'  $5,680 4250   3,950
  Official Mobile Home Market Report, May 1 1963

1963      18' Sportsman, 20' Tourist, 24' Holiday, 27' Travelcader, 30' Imperial — July 1962 PricesOwners Manual
1964       18, 21, 24-H, 27-T Travelcader — Dec 1963 Prices1964 Cover
1965      18' Sportsman, T-21, 24, T-27 Travelcader — C-10 Camper???
1966      T-21, H-25, T-27-Travelcader — C10 Camper

  Model   Length     Sugg. List 
  Sportsman    19' 2"'  $3,929
  Tourist     21' 6"  $4,331
  Holiday II Single    25' 1" $5,093
  Holiday II Tandem    25' 1" $5,293
  Travelcader Single     27' 9" $5,498
  Travelcader Tandem     27' 9" $5,698
  Imperial     30' 9" $6,446
  Official Trailer/Camper Trade-In Guide 1971

1967      T-21, A-25 Adventurer, H-25, T-27 Travelcader — C10 Camper ?? ???
1967       19, 22, 25, 28, 31 — 1967 Avion Sales Brochure compliments of Mary Davis <MDavis@danacompanies.com>
1967       Advertisement for ABC Avion Sales Inc. compliments of Richard Henderson <RHenderson3@cfl.rr.com>.

  Model   Length     Sugg. List     Serial #    Weight   
  Sportsman   19'  $4,730 67-19000  2,990
  Tourist   22'  $5,470 67-22000  3,500
  Holiday   25'  $6,290 67-25000  3,890
  Travelcader     28'  $6.995  67-28000   4,480
  Imperial   31'  $7,735 67-31000   5,030
  Benton Harbor, Michigan —  Official Mobile Home Market Report, September 1, 1967
  Pick-up Camper SDNT   10' 3"  $3,659 S-67-1001     1,860
  Pick-up Camper G   10' 3"  $3,690 S-67-1001     1,860
  Pick-up Camper FDNT   10' 3"  $3,690 S-67-1001     1,860
  Tourist   22' 2"  $5,470 S-67-22000  3,470
  Holiday   25' 3"  $6,490 S-67-25000  4,285
  Travelcader     28' 2"  $6.995  S-67-28000   4,480
  Imperial   31' 2"  $7,735 S-67-31000   4,985
  San Jacinto, California, —   Official Mobile Home Market Report, September 1, 1967    

  Model   Length     Sugg. List     Hitch Wt.    Weight   
  Sportsman   19' 4"  $4,730 370  2,990
  Tourist   22' 2" $5,470 410  3,470
  Holiday II Single   25' 3" $6,290 495  3,890
  Holiday II Tandem   25' 3" $6,490 525  4,285
  Travelcader     28' 2" $6.995  535   4,480
  Imperial   31' 2" $7,735 540   4,985
  Official Trailer/Camper Trade-In Guide 1971

1968      T-22, A-25 Adventure H-25, T-28 Travelcader, C-11 Camper ??? ???

  Model   Length     Sugg. List     Hitch Wt.    Weight   
  Tourist   22' 2" $5,470 470  5,762
  Tourist   22' 2" $5,995 425  3,785
  Argonaut   25' 6" $6,786 435  4,285
  Travelcader     28' 1" $7,419  550   4,380
  Imperial   31' 2" $8,126 575   5,065
  Official Trailer/Camper Trade-In Guide 1971

1969      C-11 Camper, 18, 22, 25, 28, 31, Avion Futura

  Model   Length     Sugg. List     Hitch Wt.    Weight   
  Sports Special   18' 3" $3,995 320  2,490
  Tourist   22' 2" $5,984 470  3,500
  Tourist   22' 2" $6,225 425  3,785
  Argonaut   25' 6" $7,075 435  4,190
  Travelcader     28' 1" $7,721  550   4,380
  Imperial   31' 2" $8,126 575   5,065
  Official Trailer/Camper Trade-In Guide 1971

1970       Sport Special Series: 19' Suntrail. Classic Series: 22' Explorer, 24' Adventurer, 26' Yoyageur
1970       Ultra Series: 26' Voyageur, 28' Travelcader, 31' Imperial -- Thanks-Tom DeArk #13639

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
    Suntrail     19'  3,200   4,560
  Explorer     22'  3,785   6,291
  Adventurer     24'  3,200   6,987
  Voyager   26'  4,200   7,682
  Voyager   26'  4,200   8,388
  Travelcader   28'  4,380  8,868
  Imperial   31'  5,065 9,394
  Kelley Blue Book, April thru September 1979

  Model   Length     Sugg. List     Hitch Wt.    Weight   
  Suntrail (Sports Special)     19' 7" $4,560 320  2,490
  Explorer (Classic)   22' 2" $6,291 470  3,500
  Adventurer (Classic)   24' 6" $6,986 425  3,815
  Voyager (Classic)   26' 3" $7,682 480  4,260
  Voyager (Ultra)   26' 3" $8,.388 480  4,330
  Travelcader (Ultra)   28' 2" $8,868  550   4,380
  Imperial (Ultra)   31' 2" $9,394 575   5,065
  Official Trailer/Camper Trade-In Guide 1971

1971      22-Explorer, 26-Voyageur, 28' Travelcader, 31' Imperial

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  Explorer     22'  3,850   5,590
  Voyager   26'  4,325   6,269
  Travelcader   28'  4,525  7,090
  Imperial   31 ฝ'  5,100 9,000
  Kelley Blue Book, April thru September 1979

1972      31' La Grande, a 31' Imperial, 28' travelcader, 25' Voyageur. — Thanks Hubert Hurst.



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1972 Avion 24 Page Sales Brochure from Pat Rosend, Fairfax, VA: Page 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17 - 18 - 19 - 20 - 21 - 22 - 23 - 24
1972 Sales Brochure (pdf) from Dominic and Linda Brindisi, 2602 Radcliff Road, Dothan, AL 36303, BrindisiD@sw.rr.com — 1972 Sales Brochure (pdf).

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  Voyager   26'  4,425   8,375
  Travelcader   28'  4,770  9,450
  Imperial   31 ฝ'  5,320 10,600
  LeGrande   26'  4,425   9.214
  LeGrande   28'  4,770  10,334
  LeGrande   31 ฝ'  5,320 11,534
  Kelley Blue Book, April thru September 1979


1973       Travelcader: 25', 28', 31'.       LaGrande: 25', 28', 31'

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  Travelcader     25'  4,840   8,450
  LeGrande   25'  4,840   9,200
  Travelcader   28'  5,090   9,600
  LeGrande   28'  5,090 10,400
  Travelcader   31'  5,880 10,700
  LeGrande   31'  5,880 11,650
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  Travelcader     25'  4,720   8,450
  Travelcader   28'  5,090   9,600
  Travelcader   31'  5,680 10,700
  LeGrande   25'  4,720   9,200
  LeGrande   28'  5,090 10,400
  LeGrande   31'  5,680 11,650
  Kelly Blue Book, April-September 1979

1974       Travelcader: 26', 28', 31'.       LaGrande: 26', 28', 31'

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  Travelcader     26'  4,720   8,950
  LeGrande   26'  4,720   9,748
  Travelcader   28'  5,090 10,153
  LeGrande   28'  5,090 11,007
  Travelcader   31'  5,880 11,346
  LeGrande   31'  5,880 12,353
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  Travelcader     26'  4,720   9,011
  LeGrande   26'  4,720   9,811
  Travelcader   28'  5,090 10,389
  LeGrande   28'  5,090 11,246
  Travelcader   31'  5,680 11,706
  LeGrande   31'  5,680 12,715
 Kelley Blue Book, April-September 1979.

1975       All American 24', Travelcader: 26', 28', 31'.       LaGrande: 26', 28', 31' - 22-MH
               1975 Avion Brochure  –   1975 Avion Specifications & Price List - Thanks to Walt Brewer - WEBrewer@gmail.com
1975       Avion GMC 23' and 26' Motorhomes GMC Avion (Both TT and MH interiors)
1975       Avion Class A 38' Aluminium bodied Motorhome.

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  All American     24'  3,600   7,350
  Travelcader     26ฝ'  4,720   9,925
  LeGrande   26ฝ'  4,720   10,764
  Travelcader   28ฝ'  5,090 11,398
  LeGrande   28ฝ'  5,090 12,298
  Travelcader   31ฝ'  5,680 12,852
  LeGrande   31ฝ'  5,680 13,911
 Kelley Blue Book, April-September 1979.

  Length     Model   Weight   Sugg. List 
  24'    All-American   3,600   7,350
  26ฝ'    Travelcader   4,720   9,925
  28ฝ'    Travelcader 5,090 11,398
  31ฝ'    Travelcader 5,680 12,852
  31ฝ'    LeGrande 5,880  
  1980 RVDA Price Quide & NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

1975       Cayo C11 Truck Camper
1975       Cayo 5th Dimension Model 30RB 5th Wheel
                Length 30' Overall Width 7'11"` Height 9'4" with Air 10'1" Interior Height 6'11"
                Interior Length 29'1" Interior Width 7'7" Weight 5,840# Tongue Weight 1,103#

1976       All American 23' Travelcader: 26', 28', 31'.       LaGrande: 26', 28', 31'       22-MH

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  All American     23'  3,600   7,869
  Travelcader   23'  3,800   9,666
  Travelcader     26'  4,720  10,525
  LeGrande   26'  4,720  11,364
  Travelcader   28'  5,090 11,998
  LeGrande   28'  5,080 12,897
  Travelcader   31'  5,880 13,452
  LeGrande   31'  5,880 14,510
  Kelley Blue Book 1980
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

1977       Travelcader: 26', 28', 31'.       LaGrande: 26', 28', 31'— 22-MH
1977 1977 MH22

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  Travelcader     23'  4,080  10,149
  Travelcader     26'  4,720  11,049
  LeGrande   26'  4,720  11,932
  Travelcader   28'  5,090 12,598
  LeGrande   28'  5,080 13,542
  Travelcader   31'  5,880 14,124
  LeGrande   31'  5,880 15,236
  Kelley Blue Book 1980
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

1978       Rear Bath: 23-M, 26-F, 28-J, 30-P (9.1 Meter) , 34-V.       Side Bath:, 23-C, 23-D, 26-H, 28-M, 30-R, 34-W. — 22-MH

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  23-C, 23-D     23'  4,315  10,500
  26-F, 26-H   26'  4,822  10.780
  28-J, 28-M   28'  5,420 11,200
  30-P, 30-R   30'  5,820 11,620
  34-V, 34-W   34'  6,742 12,320
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  23-C, 23-D     23'  4,402  13,200
  26-F, 26-H   26'  5,067 13,500
  28-J, 28-M   28'  5,420 14,700
  30-P, 30-R   30'  5,820 15,450
  34-V, 34-W   34'  6,742 16,950
  Kelly Blue Book April-June 1980

1979       Rear Bath: 26-F, 28-J, 30-P, 32-S, 34-V.       Side Bath: 23-D, 26-H, 28-M, 30-R, 32-T, 34-W — 22-MH

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  7ฝ-F, 7ฝ-H     26'  5,067  15,862
  8ฝ-J, 8ฝ-M   28'  5,420 17,361
  9-P, 9-R   30'  5,860 18,002
  32-S, 32-T     32'  6,173  19,130
  10-V, 10-W   34'  6,522 19,757
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  23-C, 23-D     23'  4,402  15,310
  26-F, 26-H     26'  5,067  16,450
  28-J, 28-M   28'  5,420 17,361
  30-P, 30-R   30'  5,820 18,670
  34-V, 34-W   34'  6,742 20,490
  Kelly Blue Book, April-June 1980.

1980       Rear Bath: 26-F, 28-J, 30-P, 32-S, 34-V.       Side Bath: 23-D, 26-H, 28-M, 30-R, 32-T, 34-W.

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  26-F, 26-H   26'  5,077  16,450
  28-J, 28-M   28'  5,420 18,005
  30-P, 30-R   30'  5,820 18,670
  32-S, 32-T,     32'  6,213 19,838
  34-V, 34-W   34'  6,522 20,490
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

1981       Rear Bath: 34-V.

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  34-V       34'  6,940 22,190
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

1982       Rear Bath: 34-V, 30-P. 1982 Sales Brochure

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  34-V       34'  7,060 23,809
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

1983       Rear Bath: 30-P, 34-V.
                9.1 Meters = 30' models and 10.7 Meters- 34' models
1983       1983 Spec Sheet
1983       1983 Sales Brochure 3/83

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  30-P      30'  5,840 23,575
  34-V       34'  6,940 26,825
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

1984       Rear Bath: 30-P, 34-V       Side Bath: 30-R, 34-W.
1984       1984 Sales Brochure
1984       1984 Trailer Life 30-R Review

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  30-P      30'  5,320 24,138
  30-R      30'  6,080 24,826
  34-V       34'  6,940 27,486
  34-W       34'  6,730 28,296
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

1985       Rear Bath: 30-P, 34-V       Side Bath: 25-H, 30-R, 34-W.
1985       1985 Sales Brochure, (the 25-H was a late addition to the line)

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  25-H      25'  5,050 22,093
  30-P      30'  5,840 26,593
  30-R      30'  6,080 27,622
  34-V       34'  7,084 30,198
  34-W       34'  6,875 31,192
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

1986       Rear Bath: 30-P, 34-V       Side Bath: 25-H, 30-R, 32-S, 34-W.
1986       Silver Edition 30-P, 30-R, 32-S, 34-V, 34-W
1986       1986 Sales Brochure

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  25-H      25'  4.975 24,445
  30-P      30'  5,840 27,295
  30-R      30'  5,800 28,325
  32-S      32'  6,100 29,470
  34-V       34'  7,085 30,900
  34-W       34'  6,875 31,895
  Silver Edition — 25th Anniverary Travelcade Club  
  Silver Edition 30-P      30'  6,090 30,510
  Silver Edition 30-R      30'  6,050 31,540
  Silver Edition 32-S      32'  6,100 32,685
  Silver Edition 34-V       34'  7,335 35,730
  Silver Edition 34-W       34'  7,125 35,028
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

1987       Rear Bath: 30-P, 34-V       Side Bath: 25-H, 32-S, 34-W       Center Bath 34-X.
1987       Avion Brochure (8 panels). Page 1 - Page 2 - Page 3 - Page 4 - Page 5 - Page 6 - Page 7 - Page 8. - Thanks to Fred Meyers.
1987       1987 Sales Brochure Edition 2

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  25-H      25'  4,975 24,808
  30-P      30'  5,840 28,301
  32-S      32'  6,100 30,310
  34-V       34'  7,085 31,990
  34-W       34'  6,880 32,991
  34-X       34'  6,880 32,991
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

1988       Rear Bath: 30-P, 34-V       Side Bath: 32-S, 34-W       Center Bath 34-X.
1988       1988 Sales Brochure

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  30-P      30'  5,840 30,739
  32-S      32'  6,100 32,697
  34-V       34'  7,085 34,607
  34-W       34'  6,875 35,262
  34-X       34'  6,880 35,444
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

1989       Rear Bath: 30-P, 34-V       Side Bath: 28-A, 32-S, 34-W       Center Bath 34-X
1989       Travelcaders 28-TA, 30-TP       Basement Models 34-VB, 34-XB
1989       Edition 2 Sales Brochure (Jan 1989) (very large files) Page 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - from Jim_Morrison49@yahoo.com

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  28-A      28'  5,400 32,737
  30-P      30'  5,840 32,845
  32-S      32'  6,100 34,978
  34-V       34'  7,085 36,747
  34-W       34'  6,875 37,509
  34-X       34'  6,880 37,651
  Travelcader Series:
  28-TA Travelcader      28'  5,165 25,310
  30-TP Travelcader      30'  5,535 25,580
  Basement Models:
  34-VB       34'  7,900 40,331
  34-XB      34'  7,890 41,235
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.

1990       Rear Bath: 30-P, 34-V       Side Bath: 28-A 32-S       Center Bath 34-X
1990       Travelcaders 28-TA, 30-TP       Basement Models 34-VB, 34-XB
1990       Fifth Wheel 38.5M 1990       1990 Basement Model Brochure
1990       1990 Standard Avion Trailer Brochure
1990       1990 38.5M Fifth Wheel Brochure

  Model   Length     Weight   Sugg. List 
  28-A      28'  5,400 34,600
  30-P      30'  5,840 35,106
  32-S      32'  6,100 37,806
  34-V       34'  7,085 39,298
  34-X       34'  6,880 40,446
  Travelcader Series:
  28-TA Travelcader      28'  5,165 26,866
  30-TP Travelcader      30'  5,535 27,303
  Basement Models:
  34-VB       34'  7,900 43,767
  34-XB      34'  7,890 44,833
  Fifth Wheel Model:
  38 5M       38'  9,365 49,950
  NADA RV Appraisal Guide May-Aug 1994.


1991       Trailers 31-N, 37-A       Fifth Wheel 29.5-T, 31.5-F, 33.5-J, 35.5-P, 35.5-P
1991       1991 specification Sheet
1992       Trailers 31-N, 37-A       Fifth Wheel 29.5-T, 31.5-F, 33.5-J, 34.5-G,35.5-P, 35.5-M
1993       Trailers 34-Y       Fifth Wheel 29.5-T, 30.5-E, 31.5-F, 33.5-J, 34.5-G, 35.5-P, 35.5-M
1994       Fifth Wheel 30.5-E, 31.5-F, 33.5-J, 34.5-G, 35.5-M
1995       Fifth Wheel 30.5-E, 33.5-K, 34.5-J, 35.5-G, 35.5-M
1995       1995 specification Pages
1996       Fifth Wheel 34.5-R, 36.5-M, 36.5-W
1997       Fifth Wheel 34.5-D, 37.5-L, 37.5-W
1998       Fifth Wheel 33.5-C, 34 5-D, 37 5-L, 37.5-V, 37 5-W
1999       Fifth Wheel 33.5-C, 37 5-L, 37.5-V, 37 5-W
2000       Fifth Wheel 37 5-R, 37.5-V, 37 5-W
2000       2000 partial specification Pages
2001       No models for 2001!
2002       Fifth Wheel 32.5F, 33.5F: Platinum & Vintage

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Send information on Modals we do have listed.
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OWNERS MANUALS
complete or partial that they will copy.
(Obviously you should pay copy and postage
costs plus some extra for their time and effort)

For Recent Prices on Common Parts

— Online Manuals —

1963 Don Horn 1963 - 1963 Avion Manual Online
1963 Photos
1964 Donald Gradeless 1964 - 1964 Avion Manual Online
1973 Mel Grewe 1964 - 1973 Avion Manual Online

— Motor Homes —

1973 Cayo MH Eileen Vollowitz 1973 - eileenv@linkline.com
1978 M-22 Peter Hausmann 1978 - piper@eyesoftime.com


— Truck Campers —

1967 C-10 David R Anderson 1967 - davyrand@msn.com
1968 C-10 Judy Lopez 1968 - bigpines@hotmail.com
1968 C-11 Tom DeArk
Wiring Diagram
1968 - TDeArk@juno.com
Wiring TDeArk@juno.com
1969 C-11 Tom DeArk
Wiring Diagram
1969 - TDeArk@juno.com
Wiring TDeArk@juno.com


— Avion Trailers —

1959Cecil Metzgar1959 - cgm1234@cox-internet.com
1963 Cliff Cole1963 - my3boys@execpc.com
1964 Gregory T. Hicks1964 - GregH@thuntek.net
1964 - Appliance Manuals
1964 Donald Gradeless 1964 - 1964 Avion Manual Online
1968 Kevin & Tari Richardson1968 - 1968avionowner@silveravion.com
1968 Harlon Gustin1968 - GustinHW@msn.com
1970Dwight and Mari Slaughter1970 - D.Slaughter@mchsi.com
1971George Harvick1971 - JGHarv@colint.com
1972G. Luedke1972 - LuedkeG@aol.com
1972 - Appliance Manuals
1973Mel Grewe1971 - 1973 Avion Manual Online
1973 Mark Roberts1973 - MRoberts@laplaza.org
1974Crystal Prather1974 - schmoo_61611@yahoo.com
1975 Wayne McMahan1975 - vwmcmaha@bellsouth.net
1975 Robert Halenda1975 - RHalenda@vailresorts.com
1975 - Appliance Manuals
1976 Burt Riviere 1976 - BurtRiviere@aol.com
1976 - Avion Sales Brochure
1977 Jackie Brown 1977 - LadyHorseShoer64@hotmail.com 
1978 Tom Cadigan 1978 - Cadigan@sedona.net
1981 Chuck & Bettye Reece1981 - CandBReece@msn.com
1982 Jim Pelfresne 1982 - jsandz@aol.com
1983Devany Vallencourt1983 -vtbeachldy@erols.com
1983Claude Turcotte1983 -CTurc@boisfrancs.qc.ca
1984Penny Wolin1984 -PennyWolin@earthlink.net
1985Presley P. Hebert1985 -PresleyHebert@msn.com
1986Helsh Downs1986 -LDowns@fidnet.com
1986 -Anniversay Supplement
1987Fred Meyers1986 -FMeyers@cinci.rr.com
1986 -1987 Appliance Manuals
1988Lee Ashton1988 -LAshton@sbp-in.com

— Avion Fifth Wheel Trailers —

1990Greg & Wendy Fields  1990 - 38.5M - gatrgetrfla@hotmail.com   

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Repair Needs, Questions
Solutions & Miscellaneous

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Awning  —  Common Repairs from ZipDee— How to operate your Zip Dee Awning

Check for Leaks— Several owners have reported that you should check for leakage around (rather behind) the Upper Zip Dee Mounting brackets. Seems they were installed on a seam and the rivet heads were removed so they could be mounted flush but over time the sealer between the bracket and the skin has worked loose allowing water to get behind the bracket mount and into the holes where the rivet heads were removed. So check and sealing this area can prevent problems from an unknown leak —DrG

Missing Parts— Carefree Awnings. (6/21/) I have a 1994 Avion 36 ft fifth wheel. The inside awning supports buckled under weight of water(I thought I had the awning tilted enough but not). The rv dealer told me that he could not order the parts because they did not make them anymore. The inside awning supports are the ones that attach the side of the unit and slide into the outside awning supports which attach to the awning. The inside supports have holes in the sides for various heights of the awning. Can I order these from anyone? [DEG - Contact Domestric. Current address is listed in out contacts}
Thank you for your response. Contacted Dometic and they gave me name of suppliler who is sending parts to me.
(7/8/01): — Dometic when I contacted them referred me to company named All Seasons with phone number 1-800-344-0673. I called them and received most warm and courteous reception from a business that I have ever received. After I described my product need, it was shipped to me within a week. The RV dealer in Dothan, al told me that I needed to order a complete new awning for over $1,000 and All Seasons cost me a grand total of $78 plus shipping to restore awnings to 100% status.:(7/8/2001).Robert Earl Stewart - RStewart@trojan.troyst.edu.

Awning Improvement— (3/1/2002) - One thing that I did on my unit that I thought was a good idea was I lengthened the center brace for the awning about three or four inches allowing me to install the brace wrong side up thus keeping the brace from rubbing the awning. Of course you have to invert the brace/awning connection but the brace doesn't rub the awning turn it back around for stowing.. Hope that makes sense if not I'll draw you a picture. Avionly yours. No love & Kisses but plenty respect..ShakeyH@msn.com - James Hope#7767.


A & E Awnings

       

Care Free of Colorado

       

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BODY WORK— aluminium & roof

Clutch Head xScrew
 

Originated by United Screw and Bolt. The recess in clutch heads looks like a bowtie. In a pinch, a clutch head screw can be driven by a slotted screwdriver. A worn tip on a driver can easily be restored by grinding off the end. Clutch head screws were popular in mobile home construction and electric motors. The size is the diameter in inches of the bit point. 1/8", 5/32", 3/16", 1/4", 5/16". The most common size in RV's is 5/32".

Square Head
x
Screw
 

The square recess design was invented by P. L. Robertson in 1908. Its advantages are great resistance to camout and 4 possible positions for the driver. Henry Ford used such screws in the Model A, but dropped it when Robertson refused to give him exclusive rights to its use. Many recreational vehicles use these screws. The most common size in RV's is #2.

1973-1990 Generic Body Panel identifier for ordering body parts from Cayo

Cayo can supply all body parts from 1957-1990
CheckHardwarefor Fiberglass Replacement Parts

CAYO Repair Service

Highly Recommended for Repair &
Restoration of Cayo and Aluminum Avions
4835 M-140
Watervliet, Michigan 49098
Telephone (269) 463-5068
Fax (269) 463-5073
Hour: 7:00 am to 4:00 pm Eastern

Unknown Leak Sources--Check for Leaks— Check you Rain Cap over the door. Over time just the flexing of the body may have broken the seal between the cap and the skin allowing water to get under the cap and to leak into the body. Remove and reapply or reseal. In a heavy rain feel your inside walls below the aluminum seam inside and if you feel dampness (water) on the wall you have a leak somewhere above. Also check the walls where they meet the floor and check for dampness. Walls feel cold and not sure if it is dampness or coldness you are feeling, use a Kleenex Tissue which will quickly reveal rather it is dampness or coldness you are feeling. Several owners have reported that you should check for leakage around (rather behind) the Upper Zip Dee Mounting brackets. Seems they were installed on a seam and the rivet heads were removed so they could be mounted flush but over time the sealer between the bracket and the skin has worked loose allowing water to get behind the bracket mount and into the holes where the rivet heads were removed. So check and sealing this area can prevent problems from an unknown leak If you are checking for leaks with a water hose, be careful that you don't spray water UP the drain holes in the bottom of the window! —DrG

Before  Polishing Oxidized Aluminum--Best Polishing Site— This is the best site for aluminium polishing information and techniques. Chris Fellers— 1961 Avion H-24 "Holiday" owner from Wisconsin, has posted comments at the bottom about polishing his Avion along with before and after photos. Remember this is only valid for the 1957-1962 Aluminium Avions. Not Anodized AluminumModels from 1962 to 1988 or the Dura-Coated (perma-coat) 1989-1990 models. (8/16/2005)
There is no better instructions than here for compounding and polishing. Bar none.Chris.
After   

Polishing Oxidized Aluminum-- We bought a used 35' Silver Edition Avion (1986 vintage) after we rolled our '89 front kitchen a year ago. It had stood on a lot in Florida with salt air and spray assaulting its finish for almost ten years before we came along. It was severely oxidized and needed other help, as well. The other help we have completed, but the exterior still needs additional refurbishing. Do any of the visitors to the Web Site know of a polish or treatment which will help an anodized aluminum finish? So far, I've used everything which has come my way, including Metal (good stuff), #7 Rubbing Compound (also good stuff), Meguiar's cleaning compound (good result), Turtle Wax Rubbing Compound (not so hot), and several which were less than adequate, to be generous to them. These included Mother's Mag and Aluminum Polish, Quick 'n Brite, Gel Gloss, Lite Touch and Turtle Wax Color Back. After using those rubbing compounds, I've used either Pledge (Lemon Fresh scent) or 303, and the 303 is hands down the better polish. One of the most spectacular products used was Selco Shine, which put a gorgeous shine on the trailer after not too awfully much scrubbing and polishing. However, it didn't stay--it looked almost as bad a couple weeks later as it did originally. Bled through. The difficulty is that I work on it, using a power rotary detailer and changeable head covers, then polish it all up and a week or so later the streaks and oxidation bleeds through and shows all over again. It feels nice and smooth, but looks tacky. If anyone can steer me toward the appropriate product to clean this up, I'd be most appreciative. Write to me atIona1@juno.comwith any suggestions.

Aluminum Polishing— From: Maurice Catellier — mfdc@escape.ca, 13 Mar 2000 Subject: Aluminum Polishing
Hi. — I saw your article about your problems with oxidized Avion skin. I had the same problem with mine, ( '85 Model R) . Nothing I tried ever seemed to work. Finally , I bit the bullet and ordered 2 gallons of clearcoat from an Airstream Dealer. (Can Am Trailers). I cleaned the trailer all over with soap and water. Then I wiped it all over with a residue remover (from body shop supply). Finally, I masked all the windows, lights, etc. and sprayed the whole two gallons on. It immediately looked like new and still does almost three years later. The reason I did it this way is that I had an Airstream that was factory clearcoated and it always looked clean with no water streaks or stain ever showing. The Can Am Trailer service rep told me that this was the way they had been restoring Avions for a long time. I tried a small patch with ordinary clearcoat before buying the Airstream stuff and it worked great. I was told to use Airstream Clearcote because it was specially formulated for aluminum which expands and contracts a lot with varying temperatures, and that ordinary clearcoat would crack. The only drawback was that it was quite expensive stuff. Somewhere around $150 a gallon, if I remember . But , it was worth every penny to see that beautiful new trailer look. It is a bit difficult to spray on. Hope this helps. — Maurice Catellier —mfdc@escape.ca

Perma Cote— October 8, 2000 —Hal Steis - HalandAlice@penn.com— Dr. G Just got back from Cayo Repair in Michigan. Had the Avion out there for a Perma-Cote job. He did a wonderful job on it. It looks like it's brand new. It certainly is worth the trip and expense. Just thought I'd let you know in case anyone asks you about what to do with an Avion that has a problem with oxidization of the skin.Hal Steis10609.

Polishing Anodized Aluminum— August 1, 2002 — PerfectPolish— Anodizing produces a very tough and hard crystalline surface. Light polishing won't remove it. Even polishing with the most aggressive polish probably won't faze it either. Since the anodizing is so hard to remove it's best just to clean and brighten it. The matte finish will always be there. This assumes that the skins were heavily anodized. I have seen aluminum that had only a very light anodizing but more than likely those trailers have a good solid coating. I really don't know what would work best to clean and brighten them. You can try our polish but in all probability other products would work as well at a considerable lower cost. —Tom Numelin-PerfectPolish

Polishing Anodized Aluminium— September 1, 2002 — FLITZ - info@flitz.com— Flitz.com
Q - Will Flitz work on the anodized surface of Avion Travel Trialers to remove the oxidation?       A - Flitz works great on anodized aluminum.
Q - What amount of Flitz one would need to polish a 34' Avion?       A - the large tube 5.3 oz should do the trick

Protecting your Anodized Aluminium finish— September 1, 2002 — PatHuber@protectall.com— ProtectAll.com- Reply sent to Bob Muncy, SAF
Bob, Protect All and Protect All Shine Plus are exactly the same product. We found too many RV'ers didn't realize they could use Protect All inside as well as outside so we got sneaky and designed a separate label. My associate here tells me Avions are anodized aluminum and not meant to be shiny. They are supposed to have a matte finish. Protect All will not make it shiny but it will still provide it's slick protective coating. Best Regards, Patrick Huber, VP, Ops & IS Protect All, Inc. - www.protectall.com. (800) 322-4491. - Fax: (714) 635-9716.   Clean, polish, wax & treat every surface inside & out. — [I personally recommend this product.DEG.]

Rivets for aluminum trailers.— Lately there have been several questions on removing the inner and outer panels of aluminum so we askedTom DeArkabout the subject for those owners are novices with rivets and Tom has recommended these sites to raise your knowledge.
Airstream Forums: Rivet removal and installation: http://www.airstreamforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23

Do you know of otherRivet How Tosites?

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WANTED - TIPS on Roof Seam Sealing or Roof Coatings?

August 30, 2000 — Leaking Roof— BellSeaya@aol.com— Please tell me what the best way is to fix a roof that leaks. I have tried the snow coat stuff, but there is still a leak and I don't know what else to use.

Wanted— Door for 1984 Avion— We are interested in obtaining a door for a l984 30 foot Avion. (8/21/2000). If you can be of assistance please send information E-mail toBLG23@Juno.com

November 29, 2000 — Roof Seals—Mike Irwin— I've see a number of questions regarding roof sealants for seam sealing. There is a product used daily in the marine industry called5200, by 3M. The marine repair folks even use it to bed hardware in decks and the like. It is a very permanent sealer, should not be used where anything need be removed ( unless you are willing to cut it loose). It is available at all marine supply houses, and quite a number of hardware stores.

While on the roof topic, anything I should know about getting around on the roof of my 34' basement model??Mike Irwin — irishayes123@yahoo.com- Dometic when I contacted them referred me to a company named All Seasons with phone number 1-800-344-0673. I called them and received most warm and courteous reception from a business that I have ever received. After I described my product need, it was shipped to me within a week. The rv dealer in Dothan, al told me that I needed to order a complete new awning for over $1,000 and All Seasons cost me a grand total of $78 plus shipping to restore awnings to 100% status.

Tape Stripes— Several people have written lately about replacing tape stripes on some of the "Striped Avion" Models. The Tape is called ScotchCal made by 3M and is regular automotive striping but there were several colors used and many were custom made for Avion in custom widths. Solution: Find a color you like and if the width does not match order a wider size and cut to the desired width.3m ScotchCal —Bill Rahm - WORahm@AOL.COMsupplied the contact. You can order from most automotive stores or contact a local body shop or a sign shop who can order the tape for you. You can also order direct from 3M from their website.. 1987 Stripes are 1ฝ" Blue Metallic color code 0127 - not currently available through retail channels.
Send in your year and color and size and if anyone comes up with a close substitute let us know.
Check messages dated July 30, 2001 for further updates on Tape.

Fiberglass Door Panels—Tom & Roberta Cockcroft - tomnbert@escapees.com— I have a 1995 Avion 36.5 fifth wheel the fiberglass on the access panels have always had a blister type bubble effect, it hasn't really bothered me till now the panel popped out at the top on the water/sewer panel. Is there a fix for this problem. (8/20/2001).Tom Cockcroft #17307

Fiberglass Bubble— I have a 92 - 29T and have a bubble under the skin near the front. Don't know if this is common but need good service. I feel if it is not done right the first time it will be a problem for ever. I would like to know of a reputable place that does this type of repair and stands behind thier work. I would even welcome info on how to do it myself. (10/05/2001).John Schult— Email:JSJONDEE@aol.com

Vinyl Trim (Welting) for trailer— Thanks for the address of Cayo Repair Service. I called them & they knew exactly the moulding or trim that I was asking about & had it in stock in eitherREDorBLACK. The price issixty nine cents (69ข) per foot. Thanks again. (1/8/2002) —Ray Cutler— Email:RayCutler@intrastar.net.

Vent Cover—Gail— Needed to find a vent cover for ceiling fans in 1976 LaGrande. Fleetwood gave me the phone # forCAYO Repair Inc., 4835 M-140, Watervliet, Michigan 49098. Telephone (269) 463-5068, FAX (269) 463-5073 (updated May 11, 2002)The gentleman at Cayo said that they fabricate this and other parts for our older (but better) Avions. Cayo, I understand is a very short distance from the Avion mfg. plant. Don't know the connection but notice that Avion/Cayo on some of your references. Very nice man and helpful. Been looking for this for 3 years. Also helped with a problem with sticky walls. Be Happy Campers. (2/22/2002). Gail.

Roof Sealer —Bill Rahm - WORahm@AOL.COM. — Dr. G. I recently found a marvelous roof sealing product that works really well on Classic Avions. It is named Eternabond. Eternabond is a 4" wide sealing tape that can be applied right over existing sealing compounds. It will seal roof seams permanently. The installation was easy and it looked much better then caulking and other sealing compounds I have used on my Avion. It took me about 2 hours to seal the roof seams on my 1987, 30P Model Avion. Eternabond can be coated with a silver UV protectorant to match the silver color of the Classic Avions. Eternabond can even be applied in cold weather. I was able to order a 50' Seam Repair kit, with Silver UV protectorant directly from the factory. The cost was $69.00. You can learn all you need to know about this wonderful product by visiting... www.eternabond.comor Eternabond Leak Repair - Frequently Asked Questions. You can contact Eternabond at (847) 540-0600. You will find them extremely friendly and helpful. This product really works. (8/03). Bill Rahm

Slide Not Working on 1992 Avion ? —Sirppa Wetter - JKWetter@earthlink.net— have a 1992 Avion 29 foot Fifth Wheel trailer with a slide-out unit that failed. I have replaced the "slide-out room controller ", Fleetwood P/N F97-0004 and Barker Mfg. Co. P/N 19215. The toggle switch on the control panel checks good. I have removed the 3' x 3' panel underneath the trailer to access the motor and have checked the motor by connecting a hot lead directly - it checks good (it works). Is there a solenoid switch somewhere? I could not find one. Anyone have any ideas other than taking it to a service center. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. (9/7/2003). —John Wetter


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BRAKES

Suggestions Needed — Last year on a trip to Colorado, one hub (twin axle) would get quite hot. We stopped and were told our only that brake was working. The shop we took it to fixed the brake and we were on our way. Today we went to get the trailer and get her ready for a trip to Glacier and Banf, and wouldn't you know it, that wheel was hot again and the brakes don't seem to be working. Does anyone know of quirks with these brakes? Any help would be greatly appreciated. (7/16/00).DanielDaynas@email.msn.com.

Additional Brake Manuals— Check various brake manuals and additional wiring diagrams at the PJ Trailer Website. - Dr.G.

Champion Trailer Parts - Brake Articles

Brakes and Shock Absorber replacement —1987 Avion 32-S. Harvey Barlow. I recently removed the wheels and brake drums to perform brake and bearing maintenance. The brakes appeared to be original and were well worn so I bought a set of four new loaded brake backing plates fromSouthwest Wheel http://www.southwestwheel.comThe backing plates come with new brake linings, magnets, and all hardware and sell for approximately $45/wheel. While the brakes were off, I decided to remove and test the shock absorbers as well. The shocks didn't offer much resistance to compression or rebound so I decided to replace them also. (This trailer is equipped with Dexter leaf springs and independent stub axles called "Adjust-A-Ride by Avion) My local Dexter parts dealer could not order individual shocks from his catalog, only pairs of shocks complete with all installation hardware for new trailer installation. The kits sold for $80/axle. I didn't need the kits so I sent an e-mail to Dexter. The reply I received indicated I could order individual shocks from Dexter with P/N 052-003-00 which retail for $32.45. The Dexter spokesman also advised that Dexter shocks are manufactured by Monroe andMonroe P/N 19176is identical. I went to my local NAPA store where the Monroe P/N was crossed to a NAPA number and I bought the shocks for about $27/ea. NAPA sells repackaged Monroe shocks. NAPA p/n 555001 is the substitute provided by my NAPA parts counter salesman. The shock fit the Avion perfectly with no modifications or adapters required. Hope this information helps someone attempting to perform similar repairs. Harvery Barlow - HarveyBarlow@sbcglobal.net

November 26, 2003— Harvey Barlow —HarveyBarlow@sbcglobal.net— Suggestions: ?


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ELECTRICAL
4-5-6-7 Pin Wiring Codes
6GreenRight Turn & Brake Light4-5-6-7-way connectors
5YellowLeft Turn & Brake Light4-5-6-7-way connectors
3BrownTail / Marker Lights4-5-6-7-way connectors
1WhiteGround4-5-6-7-way connectors
4RedAuxiliary Power Line5-6-7-way connectors
2BlueElectric Brake Line6-7-way connectors
7PurpleBackup Lights7-way connector

7-Way Plug Car End


Graphics from C.R. Brophy Machine Works, Inc.

7-Way Plug Trailer End


Some middle to late 1980's Avions used nine pin connectors instead of the
more common seven pin style. For those of you who are interested, here is
the color code for the nine pin connector. Bill Rahm worahm@aol.com

9 Pin Wiring Codes

9 Pin Connector Chart
NumberColorConnects To:
1WhiteGround
2BlueBrakes (hot)
3GreenTail, Clearance, License Plate
4BlackBattery charge line from tow car
5RedLeft turn signal & brake light
6BrownRight turn signal & brake light
7YellowTrailer back-up lights
8GrayNot used
9OrangeRefrigerator control


Fuses and Circuit Breakers
From 1984 Avion Owners Manual
12 Volt Circuit NumberCircuit Location    Rating    
1Door Side20 Amp
2Road Side20 Amp
3Ceiling20 Amp
4Rear20 Amp
5 Monitor Panel 3 Amp
6Outlets, Monitor Panel,
Radio, Water Pump
20 Amp
110 Volt Circuit NumberCircuit LocationRating
1 Main20 Amp
2 Recepticles20 Amp
3 Recepticles20 Amp
4 Air Conditioner20 Amp
Radio FuseBehind Monitor Panel 3 Amp
Battery FuseAt batteries40 Amp
Water Pump FuseAt pump10 Amp
Power Jack FuseAt batteries20 Amp
Refrigerator FuseAt Batteries30 Amp


Bulb Replacement Chart
(from a 1984 Avion Owners Manual)
DescriptionLocation  Number  
Single Square Fixture Center bath, Center bath shower
and truck
1141
Dual Square FixturesCeiling light and below
overhaeed cabinets
1141
Mirror LightsRear Bath 1143/1139
Indirect LightingBehind front Valance 1141
Interior convenience lgihts Below front and rear overhead
cabinets, and above entry door
1139
Range hood lightsOven Range912
Exterior convenience lightsHitch, roadside rear utility door,
and above entry door
T-105
Living Room ceiling fixtures Over dining table1141
Oven LightOven15 watt, 12 volt standard base
Runing Lights5 front, 5 rear and side markers1895
Back-up LightsTaillight housings1156
Stop/turn and taillightsTaillight housings1157
License plate lightLicense Plate67
Reading LightsDivider wall1176

Additional Wiring diagrams— Check for more wiring and brake manuals at the PJ Trailer Website. - Dr.G.

Batteries for older Avions— Checking at my local Farm & Fleet for the long thin batteries used in the older Avions and they still carry the3ETsize (Industrial Rated) which is what I had in my 1964 Avion. Dr.G.

Solar Basics— Solar Powerinthe August 2005 The Airstream Life — The Official Airstream Quarterly Lifestyle Magazine.

Electrical Basics— The 12Volt Side of Life- This should answer any battery question you can come up with Concerning Batteries, charging, invertors, solar and links to over related sites.

Updating your marker lights—New Link Added (7/7/2004) - http://avion.freewebsitehosting.com/clp/clp.htm: Avion Marker Light Project by Jim Nelson.

Wiring Help Available—Rick Richnow Hercules381@cox.netI have just purchased a 1979 32T. I noticed that most people are looking for wiring diagrams and construction type drawings. I'm currently working with the factory to get hold of these items. I have talked with Bill Cayo who says he doesn't have them. The factory has so far found drawings back to 1983. The gentleman I'm working with said he is going into microfiche to see if he can find mine. If anyone is interested in getting diagrams for their trailers they can drop me a line. I'll see what I can do to help. (8/29/2000). Rick —Hercules381@cox.net

Wiring Diagram— I do have the wiring diagram for a 1978 28-J Avion ((8/29/2000). Contact me if you need a copy. —gradeless@gmail.com

Wanted Avion Battery Box Cover— Wanted. Battery Box Cover, for an Avion Fiberglass Battery Box (double wide). For a 1980 30-P. Black Fiberglass with overcenter type latches on both ends. Cayo's no longer has replacements. (10/17/2000). E-mail:Forest McGinnis, Route 2 Box 1, Beloit, Kansas 67420. Telephone: 785-738-3869. E-mail:fmcgoo@nckcn.com If anyone know the manufacturer of these or a similar source for double wide battery boxes. Please send to Forest and to meDrGso I can list it here for others.

Replacement Battery Box— FromRoger Dangremond: All of our fiberglass products are sold through our distributor, Cayo Repair. We no longer do any installation work, but Cayo is the place to go. Ourreplacement battery boxis larger than the original box, and will hold 4 golf cart sized batteries. The inside dimension is 42-1/2" long by 7-3/4" wide by 15-1/2" high. available through :Cayo Repair Service, 4835 M-140, Watervliet, Michigan 49098. Telephone (269) 463-5068, FAX (269) 463-5073

Vanity Light Fixture—James B Peticolas— I own a 1993 34.5 5th wheel Avion the cover for the light fixture in the bathroom is cracked and I have nor been able to find a replacement for it. Anyone know where I might buy a replacement. (3/25/01).turbo13@ix.netcom.com. If anyone know the manufacturer of these or a similar sources for electrical fixtures. Please send toJimand to meDrGso I can list it here for others.

Jensen Light Parts Wanted—Bill Rahm— Does anyone know where I can purchase replacement lens's for the Jensen overhead ceiling lights fixtures that are original equipment in 1987 Avions —Bill Rahm - WORahm@AOL.COM— I suggested that he start at Cayo Repair -DrG
Bill Rahm— I asked the very nice lady who answered the phone at Cayo's if she had or could tell me where to buy new lens' for my Jensen 12 volt, over head lights that are original equipment in my 87 Avion. She never hesitated and told me they had a good amount on hand. The cost was approximately $3.00 and some change plus shipping. The lens is slightly different (It may be a later model) but it fits the lamps perfectly. The original lens were frosted. The new lens are also frosted but have a 2" diameter clear area in the center. I like the newer style and may replace all the lenses though out the trailer. I received a response from someone who saw my inquiry on the Avion web site. They thought lenses were available from Camping World. So many of this type of lens are very similar and look like they would fit the Jensen lamp. I had even bought one that I was certain was a Jensen replacement but it turned out that it was too large.Bill Rahm

12 volt Kill Switch & Battery Overcharing!— Penny Wolin - PennyWolin@earthlink.net— Do I need to use my 12V kill switch on a daily basis? It seems like the converter/charger is always humming which makes me think it does not go into trickle charge, rather it just keeps charging. The battery was dry and bloated, signs of overcharging. I replaced the battery yesterday, so will pay closer attention to the charging cycle.
Suggestions : — I would check that the inverter/charger and the battery both have good grounds - DrG
Bob Muncy— For more than 20 years, I have left the trailer plugged in with 12 volt power going through the converter. One Avion, a 1983 model, produced a higher than normal charge rate (about 13.9 - 14.0 volts) which resulted in burning the water out of the battery every few weeks, thus resulting in constantly adding water. This could have been fixed, I later learned, by adjusting the charge rate, but I never did and I had to replace the batteries after about 5 years. The other Avions ( 3 ) had a lower charge rate and the batteries lasted much longer and hardly ever needed water. My present Avion (1977) still has the batteries I installed in 1995 and is doing great. You can purchase a 12 volt meter to plug into a 12 volt outlet (about $12). It is still a good idea to check the battery water level every month or so. We trailer a lot - have logged about 300,000 miles since 1961. The "Kill Switch" is best used, in my opinion, when the trailer must be left unattended and unused for a lengthy period of time "without an electrical hook-up". This would then prevent 12 volt voltage drain from any source in the trailer. Hope this may be of some help. Keep that Avion rolling. Bob Muncy — SilverAvion@frontiernet.net— Silver Avion Fellowship.
Penny Wolin— It looks as if there was a bad ground at the inverter. I replaced the battery, cleaned everything up, tightened the connections, and found a loose ground at the inverter. I tightened that and viola; everything works once again. The inverter is not coming on all of the time, and the battery is not getting hot. Anyway, the improper ground rectified seems to be setting things straight to just leave it on.

Electrial Schematics—Rick Richnow - Hercules381@cox.net— I talked to Fleetwood's service dept. They said that they have electrical drawings for late 70's and up.

AC/DC Converter Repairs— Harvey Barlow - HarveyBarlow@sbcglobal.net— 1987 Avion 32-S. The ac/dc power converter in my Avion works well, but the cooling fan motor, mounted under one of the rear twin beds, is excessively noisy. I removed the converter and found the fan motor and blades had a fifteen year accumulation of heavy lint. I removed the lint which slightly reduced the noise, but the fan motor still rattles. My converter is a Series 6345, rated at 45 amps, manufactured by B & W Manufacturing, Inc. of Kokomo, IN. I did a little research and learned that B & W was acquired or changed its name, first to Magnatek, and recently to Parallax Power Components. Parallax is a friendly and helpful company. I learned that Parallax offers a Series 7300 solid state replacement circuit board in 45 amp or 55 amp rating which can be installed in the original converter housing. It comes complete with a replacement fan and all necessary instructions for installation. It can be purchased from Camping World for approximately $235 or from a Parallax approved outlet, B R Wholesale, possibly at a lower price. I also learned that if the original converter still works as designed, as mine does, an improved replacement cooling fan motor complete with a new fan blade can be obtained from B R Wholesale for $27.50 plus shipping. Parallaxhas an excellent website http://www.parallaxpower.comand Harvey Barlow. — B R Wholesalecan be reached at (800) 900-2468. My replacement fan motor is on order. I'll report when it has been received and installed. (9/17/2002). Harvey Barlow
From:Jeff McCoy — JMcCoy@parallaxpower.comTo: HarveyBarlow@sbcglobal.net:   Sir, Yes, the BW brand is the forerunner of the now Parallax Power Components Brand. The 6300 that you have can be replaced directly with a # 7345RU. This kit has all the instructions and parts needed to upgrade your "Linear" converter to a new Electronic system. This upgrade will reduce the noise associated with the transformer "hum". It can also provide up to it's rated output (45 amps) to charge the batteries in your coach. I suggest that a qualified Technician installs the upgrade, but it could be done by yourself depending on your skills. Please feel free to contact me with any additional questions. Jeff McCoy, Parallax Power Components L.L.C., RV Product Development, 112 E. Union , Goodland, IN. 46948, Telephone: (219) 297-2352; Fax: (219) 297-2306
Solution— I obtained a replacement fan motor from BR Wholesaleand installed it. Here are the basic steps:  !!Electrical power must be isolated before working on your converter!![Be sure of this or yourcould be knocked on your rear or have a Sudden Death. DrG].   Unplug your trailer's ac shorepower umbilical cord at the power source. Isolate trailer's 12vdc batteries by either removing the battery cable(s) or placing the battery isolation switch in the "off" position. Do not casually touch electrical components inside the converter with bare fingers or jewelry because large filter capacitors can hold a charge sufficient to cause severe electrical shock. The writer accepts no responsibility for damage or injury which might result from others using this guide. Open the cabinet door to gain access to the converter face. My converter is installed under the rear, street-side twin bed. Remove the screws that attach the metal face panel to the converter. Remove the four tapered screws that attach the front of the converter to the surrounding cabinetry. Remove the converter from under the bed and turn it up on its back so the front is facing upward. Wires attached to the converter are sufficiently long to allow removing the converter from its cabinet. The fan is located on the right side, in the bottom rear of the converter case. To gain access to the fan motor, I moved the large electric relay which is mounted in front of it. Loosen the relay by drilling out from the bottom, the pop rivets that attach the relay to the bottom of the metal case. Push the relay aside as much as possible. Remove the two machine screws that attach the fan motor to the right side of the case. Pull the fan motor up and out of the case. Cut the black fan motor wires at a length outside of the case. Strip 1/4" of insulation from the ends of the wires on the new fan motor and the cut ends of the original wires protruding from the case. Attach fan wires to the original wires with butt connectors. Slide the new fan inside the case and attach it with the two machine screws previously removed. Place the large relay back in position and reattach it to the case bottom with pop rivets. Blow accumulated lint and dust from the case with compressed air if available, or a vacuum cleaner with a small suction nozzle. Inspect your work to ensure the fan, relay, and wiring are back in their original positions and will not interfere with other components. Place the converter back in its original installed position and reattach to surrounding trailer cabinet with four tapered screws. Reinstall the metal face cover. Restore 12 vdc power with the isolation switch or by reattaching battery leads. Plug the trailer shore power cable back into a 30 amp supply source. Immediately monitor converter performance to ensure breakers don't trip, fuses don't blow, and wire insulation doesn't melt. Check to see that lighting and appliances work as before. Congratulations! You have replaced your noisy fan motor. . (9/27/2002).Harvey Barlow

For surplus or salvage parts check these sites: - RV Parts Outlet— RV Salvage— RVer's Salvage

LED Lights for Your Avion- I've been tossing the idea around since I was in Fairbanks, AK in June of trying to adapt the new LED light systems into my existing Bargman 84 tail lamps. Browsing the TDR website a few minutes ago a fellow TDR member posted the solution. This company,LED Trailer Lights.com, is way ahead of me. They have already developed and are marketing a direct replacement. Avions (Travel Supremes) and many, possibly most, other RVs and cargo trailers use the standard Bargman lamps. They aren't cheap, particularly when my TS uses four plus backup lamps, but the difference in visibility and safety provided by the LED lamps is worth it. Thought you might like to post this on your site. http://www.ledtrailerlights.com- (8/1/2004) -Harvey Barlow — HarveyBarlow@sbcglobal.net


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FLOORING

Needed --Tips on floor replacement. — Check the July 12, 2000- Interesting Email to check if your Avion Door Frame is properly sealed at the bottom!!

Floor Repair Tips-- FromDave Milleron a telephone call to Chuck Cayo: After he found out that I am a cabinetmaker, he went into great detail about repairing the floor. The floor is in three parts and laminated together. First layer is about a 3/8" plywood. This should be the first to be carefully removed. According to him this is usually all that has to be replaced, if caught early enough. Next, is the foam insulating layer. This can be removed with a putty knife, or chisel to examine the third and last layer, which is plywood. If the third layer is sound, then remove some of the foam, past the cut edge, forming a kind of tongue and groove. Add the appropriate thickness of plywood (he said not to try to replace it with foam) gluing all to return the same type of rigidity and integrity to the floor structure. Also, to stagger the joints of the plywood. If the third layer needs to be replaced, use the same procedure. I asked him how to replace the wood that is under the wall. He said that there is a panel, about 10" high, that can be removed to get to it. He also said that the door threshold will have to come out and that is welded, but easy to take out. He told me that he has replaced floors from the door up!

Carpeting Tips-- For the people who would like to put carpet down and are concerned about using regular padding. I have found a great alternative. There is a product called Astrofoil, it is made by Astrofoil International their address is 901 Wilshire Dr. Ste 490 Troy, MI 48084 Phone is 248-362-2247 Fax is 248-362-4984 their web email address isastrofoil@ameritech.net. The product is two layers of polyethylene bubble film sandwiched between two layers of 99.9% pure aluminum foil, bonded together with 5 layers of polyethylene film, making a 9 layer structure 5/16ths inch thick. It is a great insulation and padding to be used under carpet. I have found two places that sell it which these are their e-mail addresses. insulate@innovativebldgproducts.com, — ie@insul.net, It comes in 4 foot wide and 50-75 foot rolls. is fairly inexpensive. One company wanted for a 4" x 75" $105.00 and the other company wanted for a 4' x 50' $76.00. I also find it would be good for usage under the floor for insulation and in the walls. This product is used by Vermont Healthy Homes and he swears by it. So no need to have carpet without padding again. Hope this will be of use to a lot of you. FromRick & Kathy Richnow Unit #17174

Help how do I do carpeting in the tip out?—Lillian. I would like to know how you put in new carpet in a tip out 5th wheel in living room. Can't figure how it goes under where it slides in contactlillian@ainop.com - Lillian.
Peggy Baker— 21 December 2000 — The slide MUST be taken out. It is quite a big job, not to be undertaken by ordinary carpet layers. Should be done by either Woody in Omaha or Avion factory in Longview, TX.
Ron— 21 December 2000 — There is a couple of ways to do it but if you have a shop with cement floors, you can jack-up the slide and put saw horse under it. Unbolt it at the out side and get under. You can also put wheels under the saw horse and pull it out. Count the threads on the slide so you can get back in the same place.

Floor Repair Help Needed— Feb 7, 2002 — Patrick Unkel- OldUnk@bellsouth.net— I have a 1969 Avion trailer and I have removed a small portion of the 3/8" plywood in the front of the trailer ( about one foot extending from the wall and about three to four feet extending to about the middle of the enter and exit door). I seem to have had water damage on the area that I removed. But the problem I am facing is that the floor seems to be separated into sections(as well as the three layers you specified). the floor seems to be separated by a 1" by 2" wooden stud, the stud divides the first tree to four feet of the trailer from what appears to be the rest of the trailer. My flooring in the front of the stud is sagging not being connected to the wall at all on the side with the water damage. the stud too is partially rotten. by the way behind the stud there seems to be a metal support for the third layer instead of the plywood............any suggestions on how to fix the sagging and repair the stud? and what about the metal support are you familiar with that? — Patrick Unkel

Replacing your floor?— I have a few photos from various floor replacements. If you have photos you can share send them to me and I will forward them to others who would like to see what they are getting into. Links were Updated 5/5/2013. Floor Repair Photos c/o DrG- Those pictures are now posted at http://avion.gradeless.com/floor/frdj.
Updated 5/5/2013.
If you have any digital photos of an Avion I am also collecting those. Please send me any photos you have (please identify the year and model if you can).

I replaced my Floor— August 28, 2003 — Bill Rahm - WORahm@AOL.COM— [NoteBillhas wonderful photos includes but I do not have the space to include them here (also takes quite a lot of time to load this page if you are on a dial up) so please write toBilland he can send the article with Photos. DrG]— After returning to Florida from a recent trip to New Jersey, I noticed the floor near the front, right hand corner of my 1987 Avion, 30P model showed signs of wood rot. I have attempted to outline the procedure, complete with photographs, I used to repair the damage and locate the leak(s). Before you begin, buy a good square drive screwdriver. Almost every screw you will remove will have a square head. You will need a power saw, chisel set, notched trowel, hammer, mallet, utility knife, metal square, or straight edge, shop vacuum, router with a 1/4" x 3/8" square bit, electric drill, and rotary wire brush, belt sander, mineral sprits, plenty of rags and a container to store the screws.
The first problem was removing the safa/bed. Removing the lower portion of the sofa/bed from the brackets gave access to the screws that hold the sofa/bed to the floor. You will need someone to hold the lower section of the sofa/bed while you remove the screws that secure it to the frame. You will have to lay on your back to access the screws. I found that I could move the sofa bed to the left side of the trailer which gave me more then enough room to access the floor area that was damaged.
This is what I saw after I removed the safa/bed. The vinyl was discolored and the floor was spongy, This is a photo of the floor area after I removed the vinyl and the rotted top layer of plywood. The light colored area is Styrofoam. After I determined the size of the damaged area, I used a steel square and utility knife to cut the vinyl two inches larger then the damaged area. Then I carefully removed the vinyl. I used a flat putty knife to separate the vinyl from the "good" wood. After removing the vinyl, I could see the damage area extended under the wall. I outlined the damaged area using a steel straight edge and pencil making sure to include all the rotted plywood. Then I proceeded to cut out the rotted wood section. It was a messy job. Removing the rotted wood required the use of a rotary saw, wood chisels and a rotary wire brush attached to a drill motor to remove the rotted wood from under the wall. It looked much better after I vacuumed and cleaned the area. Classic Avion trailers have a 6" wide piece of aluminum that runs along the bottom of the interior wall. Removing this piece of aluminum by drilling out the pop rivets will allow a better view of the damage under the wall.
The Avion floor is fabricated in three layers. The bottom layer appears to be 3/4" thick plywood. The center section is Styrofoam and the top section is 1/2" plywood. I removed a portion of the Styrofoam to inspect the bottom layer of plywood. Fortunately, it was not damaged. I replaced the Styrofoam using adhesive designed for Styrofoam. You can find this adhesive in a caulking gun size tube at Home Depot or Lowe's Hardware.
Next, I used a router to cut a 3/8" wide by 1/4" deep square slot (half the thickness of the plywood) around the perimeter of the opening. Doing this provides a "step" so the new plywood will have support.
Use a piece of cardboard to model the size and shape of the replacement plywood. Take your time here and make the template as accurate as you can. Make sure the template fits into the 3/8" x 1/4" step that was cut into the existing plywood.
Most lumber supply houses no longer handle 1/2" thick plywood. In the interest of conserving a few trees, the so called 1/2" thick plywood now measures 15/32". A piece of tar paper placed between the Styrofoam and the bottom of the new piece of plywood will make up the difference. It was probably overkill but I used exterior plywood for the replacement floor.
After cutting the new piece of plywood, make sure it fits the opening exactly. If your template was accurate, it should fit. If not, you may have to trim it so it fits perfectly into the groove that was routed into the existing plywood. When the new piece of plywood fits exactly, cut a 3/8" x 1/4" groove in the new piece of plywood to match the groove that you cut in the plywood floor. Be careful here. Make sure you cut the groove on the side that will match the groove cut in the existing floor. Check again to make sure the plywood fits the opening.
Using a notched trowel to spread adhesive that is designed to be used on Styrofoam, I laid the tar paper on top of the Styrofoam. Then I spread adhesive on top of the tar paper. I also spread adhesive in the groove around the perimeter of the opening and placed the new piece of plywood in the opening. Press the new plywood firmly in place. Make sure it fits the opening and the edge is laying flat against the existing plywood. I used my slightly overweight body and a plastic mallet to assure the new piece of plywood was firmly in place. Using a rag, wet with mineral spirits, I cleaned the area where the adhesive oosed out from the joined pieces of plywood.
After the adhesive dried overnight, I lightly sanded the area with a belt sander, vacuumed and cleaned the entire area and applied vinyl adhesive using a notched towel. Then I replaced the original vinyl. I use a wallpaper roller to smooth the vinyl and make sure the vinyl was held securely in place. Depending on what type of adhesive you use, clean any excess adhesive with a rag soaked in mineral sprit's or water. Except for the stain that the rotted wood caused to the vinyl, I could not tell that the vinyl had been removed. Replacing the sofa/bed proved to be more of a challenge then removing it. Finding the existing screw holes tried my patience but with the help of my lovely wife, we were eventually able to find the existing screw holes and fastened the safa/bed securely to the floor. Some parts of the sofa/bed are screwed directly to the wall or to pieces of 1"x1"x3" wood that are screwed to the trailer wall and floor. Replacing the lower section of the sofa/bed completed the project. It was a messy job but after it was finished I felt it was not all that complicated. Just take it one step at a time.
Awning Brackets—The next step was determining how the water was getting inside the trailer. According to Bill Cayo, the Classic Avion has two places that are notorious for leaks. One place is the ZipDee awning brackets. These brackets are located near the roof line at each end of the awning. The brackets lock the awning in place when it is in the "stored" position. I found two rivets were drilled out to allow the awning bracket to fit snugly against the aluminum skin. The rivet holes were not sealed. I removed the bracket (There are three stainless steel screws holding the bracket to the trailer) I cleaned both surfaces and used Parabond sealer to seal the rivet and the screw holes. Then I spread Parabond sealer on the back of the bracket and reassembled the bracket to the trailer. I also filled the screw holes in the bracket with Parabond sealer before installing the screws. After the bracket was screwed tightly to the trailer, I spread a bead of Parabond sealer around the entire border of the bracket. While you are at it you might as well reseal the rear bracket as well. Removing and resealing the awning brackets took about 45 minutes. It is an easy job and well worth the effort. The awning will have to be extended position to remove the brackets.
Stone Guard— Another place water is inclined to leak into an Avon is the rail that supports the front window stone guard. This is an aluminum strip that acts as one half of the stone guard hinge. Grab the aluminum hinge that is riveted to the skin of the trailer and try to move it. If it moves, water may be leaking though the rivet holes that hold the aluminum hinge to the trailer. Cayo's recommendation was, "do not remove the original rivets." He suggested the best way to address this problem is to tighten the hinge by using pop rivets between the existing rivets, then seal the entire perimeter of the strip with Parabond sealer. Don't forget to seal the new pop rivet heads.
The Windows— I cannot be absolutely certain but I felt there was a possibility that water might be leaking around the front window. Removing the front window is not for the faint of heart. It requires a second set of hands because the center section and the curved pieces of fixed glass on each side are all one piece. It is quite heavy and awkward to handle. Removing the window is mostly a matter of removing screws. eighty-four of them to be exact. I found that I did not have to remove the stone guard to remove the window. I unscrewed the two stone guard support arms from the window and supported the stone guard with a broom handle. Before you start, visit your friendly RV dealer and pick up a roll of 3/4" wide butyl rubber sealing tape. The color will probably be black. This is very sticky stuff, so handle it carefully. You might want to pick up a pack of square headed screws to replace the screws that you will remove from the window. The cost is reasonable and they are available in a packet containing 100 screws. I tried replacing the screws with stainless steel, Allen head type but I could not get a good bite on the screw. It is not an accident that RV manufacturers use square headed screws.
Next, remove the rubber molding that exposes the screws and remove the screws. You might want to use an electric drill with a square headed driver, if you can find one. Be careful. If you slip and hit the fixed pane of glass and break it, you will be out of luck. There are no replacements. I decided to fail on the best side of caution and removed the screws using a square headed, hand held screw driver. I used lots of Ben-gay on my wrist that evening. After removing the screws carefully, I gently pried the frame of the window at one corner, using a screw driver and a small block of wood to protect the trailer skin. Insert the tip of the screwdriver under the window flange and place the screw driver shaft against the block of wood. Use the screw driver like a fulcrum. Work slowing and do not bend the frame. Remember if you break the fixed glass you will not be able to replace it. The window is held in place with butyl rubber sealer. This is not the same gray putty type sealer that is typically used on the side and rear windows. The sealer is very sticky. You will find that once the window starts to break lose from the trailer skin it will be an easy matter to remove it. You will need someone to help you hold the window as you remove it.
Inspect the sealed surface of the window. Look for voids in the sealer where water might have gotten through. Next clean the sealer from both the window flange and the aluminum trailer skin. I sharpened the edge of a wood paint stirrer and used it like a putty knife to remove the sealer from the trailer and the window. A rag soaked in mineral spirits and some elbow grease will remove the remainder of the sealer. It will take a little time, be patient and you will be surprised how well the window flange and the trailer skin will clean up.
Before you replace the window in the trailer, use a flat 3/8" diameter punch and hammer to flatten area around the screw holes on the trailer skin. After the window and trailer skin are clean, place one layer of butyl rubber tape around the flange of the window. Don't try to use a double layer of tape. The reason will become obvious when you install the window. Place the window in the opening using an awl in one of the center screw holes. Start replacing the screws, working out from the center of the window. Work slowly. You will notice that the screw holes on the vertical sides of the window do not align with existing screw holes in the skin of the trailer. Keep adding more screws, working from the center out on both the top and bottom window flange. As you tighten the screws you will notice that the screw holes on the sides of the window will start to align with the screw holes in the skin of the trailer. When this happens you can start to insert screws in those holes. Go slowly. Keep going back and retightening the screws. Always work from the center out to the side of the window. You might have to continue to gradually tighten the screws ten or more times. Retighten the screws after letting the window sit overnight. You should see sealer ooze out from under the flange around the entire perimeter of the window. After you are comfortable that all the screws are tight, use the wood paint stirrer and a rag soaked in mineral sprits to remove the sealer from the skin of the trailer. Then insert the rubber molding that covers the screws.
Spray the window with a hose to check for leaks. I found a small amount of water getting by the rubber glazing that holds one fixed window in place. I used black RTV silicone rubber to seal the glazing next to the glass on the inside of the window. It worked perfectly and is unnoticeable.
Roof Seams— To finish my hunt for places where water might leak into my Avion, I decided to reseal all the roof seams. I found a marvelous product named Eternabond. Eternabond comes in 50 foot rolls and is a very sticky, 4" wide tape that can be applied right over exiting sealers (except silicone) as long as the edge of the Eternabond extends past the edge of the existing sealer. It can even be applied when the surface is wet and in cold weather. Not that that is a problem in Florida. It works just as advertised. Eternabond's normal color is white. In my view white would not look good on the roof of a silver trailer. I called the factory and found that Eternabond is available in 4" wide tape that can be covered with a silver UV protectorant coating. This is a great sealer and should last many years. The whole job cost less then $80.00 and took me about 2 hours to apply. You can find out all you need to know about Eternabond on their web site. www.eternabond.com or click here. Eternabond Leak Repair Products
And so my 1987 Avion beauty is ready for another trip. I really do think that at least half the fun is keeping her looking as new as she does in these pictures. I will be happy to answer any questions about the information discussed in this article. You can contact me atWORahm@AOL.COM— Happy Avioning. Bill Rahm

How to Repair a Weak Floor— New Links updated (5/5/2013) New Link(7/7/2004) —http://avion.gradeless.com/floor/frdj: How to repair the floor in your Avion by Dee Jackson, Larwill IN.

Avion Floor Repair— http://www.silveravion.com/renovations/1987_billrahm/br.htm.   How to repair the floor in your Avion by Bill Rahm, Lady Lake, FL.

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HARDWARE


Above is a photo of handlayedfiberglassparts made in the USA
A.   Pre 1988 Rock guards for Avions. B.   1988-1990 Ribbed Rock guards for Avions. C.   Battery/Storage Box. —
42-1/2" long by 7-3/4" wide by 15-1/2" high. D.   LP Bottle Cover for Avions E.   18 x 18 Fan Shroud. F.   Interior Shade Cover for Avions. G.   18 x 18 Vent Cover, 14 x 14 Vent Cover H.   18 x 25 Vent Cover. I.   Refrigerator Vent Cover. J.   Step Cover (Exterior) for Avions
All parts are available through
Cayo Repair Service, 4835 M-140, Watervliet, Michigan 49098.
Telephone (269) 463-5068, FAX (269) 463-5073. Business hours 7 am to 4 pm Eastern Time Zone

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Our replacement battery box is larger than the original box, and will hold 4 golf cart sized batteries. The inside dimension is 42-1/2" long by 7-3/4" wide by 15-1/2" high.

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Component Specifications
(from a 1984 Avion Owners Manuel)
ApplianceManufacturerModel
Range and OvenMagic Chef (Gaffers-Sattler)      BT22JS-4TVX
RefrigeratorDometicRM1303AES
Monitor PanelJensen WemacAvion
Water HeaterAtwoodG6A-3E
FurnaceDuotherm
[Replacement is Suburban NT-30]
90030-412
TV AntennaBraundSkyliner
ToiletThetfordAquamatic D8445
Electrical Control CenterB-W6345UL-CLKJ1
Water PumpsShur-Flo200-220-39
Galley FaucetDelta111
Tub FaucetDelta636
Lavatory FaucetDelta522
Stereo Radio / Tape Player      ASIDY-9700 (Cassette)
yMicrowave OvenMagic ChefM-41-3
Air ConditionerDuotherm55915- w/3-15601

Airstream Dreamsis a very good source for obsolete parts for Airstreams, many of which fit older Avions.

All Rite's RV Product Listsome harder to find hardware items.

Camco's Index of Various RV Hardwarewhich can be found at most RV dealers, K-Mart, Walmart.

Door Locks--The older Avions used aBargman 66 Door Lockand then they went to theBargman 100 Door Lock, then the Bargman 200 Door Lockthe newer Avions used theBargman 400 Door Lock. All links take will take you to the basicBargman Master pageand then you must click on the Locks.
For KBC Door Locks on the Avion Motorhomes check theMarch 22, 2206article by Elton Twork.

Crank Handles?-- Have you, or do you know someone that has replaced their factory installed Hammond Ceiling Fan with a Fantastic Fan? I will pay any fair price for a Hammond Ceiling Fan. It must include the screen and two crank handles. It need NOT be in operating condition . (4/98) Please call Bill Rahm at (352)750-4541 orWORahm@AOL.COMor write to Bill & Rae Rahm, 5246 Greens Drive, Lady Lake Fl. 32159.

FOUND!—Needed -- Ceiling Vent Cranks— Does anyone know where I can purchase the original crank knobs for the Hammond ceiling vents in my 1987 Avion? (03/21/98). Please contact me atWORahm@AOL.COMor write to Bill & Rae Rahm 5246 Greens Drive Lady Lake Fl. 32159. —

Needed -- replacement drawer slides— I found the drawer slide manufacturer still makes them. Contact: Accuride, Santa Fe Springs, CA. Phone (310) 903-0200.FromNed Joldersma- Avion #16164.

Refrigerator Access Door?— I have a 1981 34V Avion and need an original external refrigerator access door. Do you know where I might find one?Bill PartridgeEmail:Partridge@Humboldtks.com

Gas Tank Recertification— Email:Bill— I learned yesterday (from talking to the local propane dealer) that new 40 pound aluminum propane tanks cost approximately $95.00 a piece. They would come complete with the new 80% valve. Re-certifying the old tanks for five years and installing new valves will cost about $35.00 for each tank. The new valves will not have the remote read out feature. The local dealer is recommending replacing the valves on aluminum tanks. If the tank is steel, he is recommending replacing the whole tank complete with a new style valve. The word is out...Yesterday, I tried unsuccessfully, to have my 13 year old aluminum tanks filled at five different propane filling stations. Bill

5th Wheel Jacks— Email: WEMA2@aol.com- (9/11/00): I found that my electric jacks on my 1994 Avion 36 foot are starting to give me trouble . Has anyone else had the same trouble. I go to unhook and my front legs won't come down. I have ordered new legs from the factory thinking that is the problem but I'm just guessing. If you have any suggestions please e-mail me atWEMA2@aol.com

Camper Jacks— Email: BBigPiness@hotmail.com- (8/04/02) — Camper jacks — Jody Lopez - bbigpiness@hotmail.com — I hope you can help me. I have a 1968 Avion Camper and the jacks bent Where can I find replacements?
ANSWER —Greetings!!! The jacks you are looking for are probably Rieco-Titan brand and should be available from almost any good RV dealer's parts department. They are distributed by Coast Distribution to RV dealers-----I don't think that Coast Distribution sells to retail buyers; wholesale only. The heavy-duty models are rated at 2000 pounds each and are priced about $265 to $275 retail for a set of three. I believe that these are the original brand of jacks that were on the camper when it was new. You may be able to special-order them from Camping World or Camper's Choice---maybe give them a call and see. The Rieco-Titan part number for a set of three is (I think) THD2000-3Z1. Tom DeArk, KY Unit #13639 E-mail:TDeArk@juno.com
You may be able to straighten your bent jacks. A good machine shop with a press of the proper capacity may have the capability to straighten them----it just depends on where and how badly your jacks are bent. I have not tried to straighten camper jacks, but I have straightened a power tongue jack. It was not seriously bent, but it was bent enough to strip the fiber gears in the power head. I used a press at my cousin's service station (one designed to press bearings on and off) and had it straightened in less than five minutes. Good luck if you try this approach. (8/8/2002). — Tom DeArk.

Tipout Drawer Grommet— Harvey Barlow. — Missing rubber grommet — '87 Avion 32-S. Just below the kitchen sink in my Avion is a small wedge-shaped drawer, about 16" wide and 4" tall, hinged at the bottom. I'm sure you're familiar with the one I'm speaking of. My problem: The drawer is secured in place for travel by a small male prong attached to the back of the drawer top. When the drawer is returned to its closed position, the male prong is inserted into a larger round female bracket. The female part is supposed to have a rubber or plastic ring-shaped insert into which the male prong was designed to fit tightly, thereby holding the drawer closed. The rubber or plastic grommet was worn and damaged when I bought the trailer and it fell out of the female bracket and disappeared during my first trip with the Avion. Probably lost somewhere in the cabinet. When I pull the trailer I frequently find the small drawer standing open when I stop because nothing holds it tightly closed. My question:  Where can I obtain a replacement rubber or plastic grommet?
Solution:   I discovered that 3/8" inside diameter rubber insulating grommets purchased in small packages in the electrical department of Lowe's Home Improvement store fit the latching bracket perfectly. The rubber grommets are intended to protect electrical wiring passing through holes with sharp edges drilled or punched in metal boxes. Press the grommet into the female bracket and the male latch on the drawer fits tightly in the center opening of the rubber grommet. My drawer will remain latched while traveling now.Harvey Barlow. {Thanks Harvey for giving us the problem and then finding the solution!. Drop Harvey a thank you if this solution works for you. DrG]

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HEATING / AIR CONDITIONING

Furnace Noises— Over years of use, our furnace started to squeal and screech when we first started it up. We went to an RV repair facility and were told: "Oh yes, that's not uncommon, you need a new fan motor". After determining that the motor cost over $100, I decided to look a little further myself. I took the furnace apart, got down to the motor, and disassembled it. I found sizable oil reservoirs, filled with felt material, around the bushings. I filled these with oil and reassembled the furnace.Success!The unit is now so quiet that you have to stop and listen to hear it at all. By the way, if one is going to replace the motor, it is still necessary to disassemble the furnace to the same pointerior The only other step is the disassembly of the motor itself. From:Bob Sanctuary- Avion #14400.

Original heater for C-10?— Hello. Last year I purchased a 60's vintage Avion C-10 slide in. It is in very good condition, except the heater had been replaced with a universal cat type. I would like to change it back to original, but I need to Know who made it and what model it is. I am going to use this camper on my 1950 Chevy 1 ton (powered by a 6.2 G.M. diesel) at the American Truck Historical Society shows in the New England area. Any info would be appreciated. (4/2000). Thanks,Al Murphy- Email:AlanAmurphy@aol.com.

Schematic for a DUO-THERM Air conditioner— I need to know if I can find a schematic for a duo therm air conditioner on a 27 foot avion 1973. (2/5/2000) If you can help please reply todennydebi@aol.com.

National Propane Gas Assocation

Propane Cover Latch Needed—Sue Dolan— We just purchased a 34' XB Avion Trailer and are missing one Zeus Fastener at the cover for propane on front of trailer. If you know of place we can get replacement, email atsabd27@hotmail.com. (3/24/01).

Furnace not producing heat—Harvey Barlow - HarveyBarlow@sbcglobal.net— 1987 Avion 32-S. I tried using the furnace in my recently purchased Avion only once during its maiden (with me) voyage, a cool early morning in Bar Harbor, ME. I thought it wasn't heating very well but wasn't sure during the brief time I had it on. Last week, I began inquiring at RV repair shops around town. At one, a trusted and very experienced RV tech advised me to simply replace a 15 year old furnace, stating that if water was ever introduced into the heat chamber, rust and a deadly pin hole could have resulted. He said safety was more important than the cost of a replacement furnace. The parts manager quoted me a price of $569 for a new Suburban NT34, plus labor. I mulled that painful thought over and decided to pay for an hour of labor to determine what the actual cause of no-heat was before making the decision. I asked a friend who is an RV tech and who moonlights after hours to check it and watched while he removed the furnace and bench tested it. To the prior owner's credit, the furnace was surprisingly clean when removed. Hooked up on a bench we could hear the switches and valves working but no flame. The tech removed the gas line from the burner valve to the burner. He removed a small brass fitting containing a tiny gas metering orifice from the line. He held the brass fitting up to the light and showed me tiny black particles. He said the particles were likely remains of young spiders who like to climb through the burner openings, upstream toward the supply, and lodged in the burner orifice. He shook out the orifice, blew out the line with compressed air, and reassembled the furnace. He pointed out the fact that the furnace already had received a new control module and after careful inspection, he pronounced the furnace in excellent repair and safe to use. He cycled it on again and this time the flame lit and roared. Success! An $80 repair bill. Cheap compared to $700 or so for a new furnace. I'm ready for cold weather travel now. (9/7/2002). —Harvey Barlow, Lubbock, TX

Direct & Remote Propane Tank Gauge— For those who's lives depend on the instrument panel reading of their propane tanks and cannot find a dealer who can install a gauge, new tanks with a gauge installed are available through our friends at Airstream Dreamsby special order. A direct link is: http://www.airstreamdreams.com/item.jhtml?UCIDs=69540%7C69543&PRID=1123317. Airstream Dreams now carries 30lb tanks with remote reading gauge for your instrument panel. The 30 lb. Worthington tank has a level gauge on the tank and the electronic hook-up for remote reading from the instrument panel inside your trailer. The vertical aluminum tank comes with new Type 1 valves and an Overfill Protection Device as is now required on all tanks (as of April 2002). It is unpolished and boxed. They do not stock this item which is custom ordered. So if your LP Dealer is not able to install one they are available at Airstream Dreams.

Furnace Installation — Replacing the Furnace that wasn't there!— Mark Campbell - MarkECampbell@carolina.rr.com— [Photos have been removed. Email mark to get the photos. DEG] — When we purchased the twenty-year old coach, the original Duotherm furnace was removed, the wall thermostat was removed, and the intake and exhaust holes in the coach's exterior wall were sealed. Having a furnace-free coach was not an option for us (for comfort and resale value) so we knew we had to install a new furnace. Because of potential rust, reliability and general safety issues, we didn't want to buy a used Duotherm of the same vintage.  I did see some available on the internet for nearly the same cost as a new furnace.  Simply replacing parts was not an option either, because the original furnace was completely removed.  We immediately faced three challenges:
1.   Duotherm no longer makes furnaces, and
2.   The cabinet that housed the original furnace was not going to be altered in size or location, and
3.   The Duotherm's intake and exhaust holes already cut into the skin did not match the location of other manufacturer's holes. (More on this later)
Our first challenge was: Duotherm no longer makes furnaces. Atwood and Suburban are the key (if not only) manufacturers now. We visited new RV showrooms and other RVs in our campground to take a look at which brand others are using. We also did countless hours of research on the internet studying measurements, specifications, installations, etc. The search began for an Atwood or Suburban model that would work within the coach. To meet our second challenge, the Atwood or Suburban model would have to physically fit in the cabinet and vent to the bottom (to connect with the existing Avion ductwork) as opposed to venting to the side. The Atwood models were all too big to fit in the cabinet, and required a very large hole to be cut in the exterior skin of the coach. Their exterior access doors are white metal, and are similar in size and look to the hot water heater or refrigerator access doors. We noted that a lot of new RVs are using Atwood models. Atwood could vent either to the bottom (with an adaptor kit) or to the side. Their size and unattractive exterior access door ruled them out for us. Prices were nearly identical to Suburban. Suburban makes many different models of furnaces. We knew from the internet and a visit to a local RV dealer's parts department that the Suburban NT Series would physically fit into the cabinet, and had only two exterior holes similar to the Duotherm. The holes, however, would not match up to the existing holes in the coach. Suburban makes a low profile model as well, but it was too wide to fit into the Avion cabinet.
DECISION MADE
We decided on the Suburban NT Series. Next step was to determine the BTUs needed. For large RVs, Suburban makes a 40,000 BTU model and a 34,000 BTU model. My original owners manual did not indicate how many BTUs the original Duotherm had. For a 34' trailer, I assumed we would need a 40K unit; however, I took the advice of several experts and opted for the 34K unit. Apparently, having too many BTUs is nearly as bad as having too few - the efficiency of the furnace begins to deteriorate. Thanks to the owners manuals posted on the Silver Avion site, I could see that the 1984 model used a 30K unit, and 1986-onward models used a 34K unit. We decided on the NT-34SP model. Having decided WHAT to purchase, we began the search to decide WHERE to buy it. As you may suspect, local RV dealers are selling the furnace for about $100-$200 over the prices on the internet. The cheapest site we found was www.rvproshops.com They had free shipping and no sales tax for North Carolina. Far and above the cheapest prices on nearly everything we've shopped for. $507.21 total cost of furnace delivered to my door.
IMPORTANT NOTE WHEN ORDERING:
When ordering a replacement Suburban furnace for your Avion, you will also have to order a bottom ducting adaptor kit (Suburban part #062164 - $21.00 at RV Proshops) and 4 side duct hole covers ($1.68 each from PPL Motorhomes) The unit comes shipped from the factory with the 4 side duct holes and bottom duct openings OPEN; therefore, to force the air to the bottom duct opening, you must close off the 4 side duct openings! Very important to remember to order the side duct closings! If you ask 10 different service techs, you'll get 10 different answers as to whether or not you actually need the bottom ducting adaptor kit; however, for only $21, I opted to err on the side of needing it. Personally, I think it is needed - it provided an airtight and secure connection between the furnace and existing Avion ductwork. Otherwise, the furnace simply "sits" over the Avion ductwork opening. Now we have a furnace that will physically fit into the Avion cabinet, and is adequately sized for the coach. Next step will be to install the unit.
EXHAUST HOLES Our owner's manual, as many of you know, was designed to cover many years of Avion models from the 1980's. The street side photo of the exterior in the owner's manual shows the furnace intake and exhaust holes stacked vertically: intake on bottom, and exhaust on top (heat rises, so it won't be sucked back into the furnace is my guess) -[OWNERS MANUAL PHOTO:]- On our 1983, however, the holes are horizontal. When we were researching furnaces on the internet, we had to study the exterior shot of our coach, rather than rely on the photo in the owner's manual. Note, too, how close the actual hole is to the refrigerator access door… -[ACTUAL COACH PHOTO]- Our extensive study of replacement furnaces told us that the new furnace would use a vertical hole arrangement; therefore, our existing horizontal holes would not be useable. For safety reasons, the manufacturer strongly warns that intake and exhaust tubes NOT be bent or shaped, but should be connected directly to the holes in a straight line. We'll take their advice on that one, too! We hoped that we could use the forward-most hole as our new exhaust hole, and drill a 2 ผ" hole directly below that one to provide a new intake hole. Doing this would leave only one of the original holes plugged, and cause only one new hole to be drilled into the skin. This would leave the exterior looking like this: -[PHOTO]-. Another option would be to drill 2 new 2 ผ" holes and leave the original holes capped off. This would leave the exterior looking like: -[PHOTO]- Stay tuned for the installation process….

Furnace Replacement— Details ofMark CampbellsFurnace Replacement: http://www.silveravion.com/renovations/marks_furnace/mf.htm

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INTERIOR

Curtains? Storm Windows?—Does anyone have a good source for replacement curtains or storm windows? My boyfriend has an older Avion (I think 1974). The windows look like they used to have storms but there are none now. Also we need replacement curtains and cushion covers. Any lead you could give would be a great help. We love it and want to take good care of the baby. Thanks! (8/23/00)Sally Mathews - sally@mathewscomputer.com

Sticky Walls?—Gailcalled Cayo's and he said that the walls are sheet metal with vinyl and the sticky situation occurs when the adhesive seeps thru. He recommended Wesleys White Wall Cleaner. I had tried everything, alcohol, alcohol with Ivory Liquid, 409, Fantastic, vinegar and anything else that came to mind. Haven't tried the white wall cleaner yet but will let you know as soon as I do. Sure don't want to go out there one morning to peeling vinyl. — (2/25/2002):Gail
Sticky Walls —wms@socket.net-— We have used several products for sticky walls in the Avion and prior to that, the Airstream. It sounds strange but the potpouri Windex will cut through the "sticky" and removed ours. You may want to give it a try. It does not damage the ceilings or walls. The other Windex products did not work. (We tried Pinesol and several other things first) - (4/4/02) -Rex Owens
Sticky Walls —Tom DeArk—My wife and I have restored three Silver Classic Avions and are in the process of rebuilding/restoring a 1969 C-11 truck camper. We have used a product called "Mean Green" to clean the interior vinyl skin and have had great results. We [mostly my wife, Donna] just spray it on a small area, scrub with a brush (we use a fingernail brush), and wipe with a towel rinsed in clear water. In addition to removing "stickiness", it also cleans off any dirt, grease, nicotine stains, and who knows what else. It is available at Dollar General Stores ( $2.00 for a 40 oz. spray bottle) and is manufactured by Chem Pro, Inc., Spartanburg, SC, phone 864 587-9308. (4/17/02). -Tom DeArk, Avion Travelcade Club KY Unit #13639. E-mail:tdeark@juno.com

Treating Walls in Airstreams at Inland RV— Will it work on Avions?

How to Repair a Weak Floor— New Link (5/5/2013). New Link (7/7/2004) —http://avion.gradeless.com/floor/frdj: How to repair the floor in your Avion by Dee Jackson, Larwill IN.

This was originally posted in 2004 on free webspace that has disappeared. It has been moved back to my web space and the page will be updated shortly.


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LITERATURE / MANUALS

Owners Manual— Serial # 503 . I am looking to get an owners manual and parts supplier. (8/23/00).Nathan Putbrese,Natepthegreat1@cs.com

Check the list of owners willing to copy their Owner'sManuals. Do you have a manual you could copy?

Check the1960 Avion Sales Brochure

I have a few others 1985, 1988, etc. If you have one you can post on your webspace or send to me for copying we will post them.


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PLUMBING

Replacing the Fresh Water drain cock-- I recently purchased a 1984 Avion with a broken and leaking freshwater drain petcock. It turned out to be very easy to replace. Remove the twin bed mattress and the plywood sheets under it on the street side. The fresh water plumbing to the drain petcock is under it. Loosen the clamp on the hose to the petcock, pull the hose loose, and put the clamp aside. Go outside and remove the two screws holding the old petcock to the steel bulkhead. Pull out the old petcock and the attached hose. Loosen the clamp holding the hose to the petcock, remove the old and attach the new petcock, and tighten the clamp. Thread the hose back through the bulkhead, go inside and slip the clamp over the hose and fit the hose back on the nipple inside the trailer. Tighten the clamp. Replace the two screws to attach the new drain petcock. This is a very easy repair and should be within the ability of any Avion owner. (2/3/2008). -- Fromairfrog1@pdq.net

Got a Cracked shower stall?-- Received photos of Jim Simmons S-18[Click to view those photos.]and his wife redid their S-18 shower with a Tubby USA bath tub refinishing kit. Wow. Check out their website" tubbyusa.com.   I was very impressed. Looks like a new tub!. DrG
If are working on the tub be sure to check how solid that floor is underneath the tub. A common place for water leaks to rot the floor and without a solid floor there is nothing to support your tub or shower!.

Safe Drinking Water & Bleach?-- Thanks to Hurrican Katrina a lot of warnings on using unscented Chloride Bleach to santized water. 1/8 teaspoon of unscented Chlorine Bleach (5% Chlorine) per gallon of water and allow to sit for 30 minutes to make clear water safe to drink. (but does not kill parasites!)
Directions from another site: Add 1 drop (0.05 mL) of bleach to 1 Litre of water, shake and allow to stand for at least 30 minutes before drinking. Double the amount of bleach for cloudy water, or for cooler water. — A slight chlorine odour should still be noticeable at the end of the 30 minute waiting period if you have added enough bleach. The disinfection action of bleach depends as much on the waiting time after mixing as to the amount used. The longer the water is left to stand after adding bleach, the more effective the disinfection process will be. — NOTE: Bleach does not work well in killing off beaver fever (Giardia) or Cryptosporidium parasites.
Directions from another site:Chlorination: Add 5-10 drops chlorine bleach per quart of clear water, thoroughly mixing it and allowed to stand for at least 30 minutes. The treated water should have a slight chlorine odour; if it doesn't, the dosage should be repeated and the water should stand for 15 minutes more. If this treated water has too strong a chlorine taste, it can be made more drinkable by allowing the water to stand exposed to the air (should be a light cover over the top to prevent insects, etc. from falling into the water). Pouring it back and forth between two CLEAN containers will also help.
Directions from another site on safe drinking water after a flood:The preferred method of treatment is boiling. Boiling water kills harmful bacteria and parasites. Bring water to a full ROLLING boil for at least 1 minute to kill most infectious organisms. If boiling water is not possible (power outages) potentially contaminated water may be treated with chlorine or iodine tablets. However, this treatment will not kill parasitic organisms. To disinfect with chlorine mix six drops (1/8 teaspoon) of unscented, ordinary household chlorine bleach (5.25 percent sodium hypochlorite) per gallon of water. Mix the solution thoroughly, and let stand for about thirty minutes. To disinfect using iodine put eight drops of 2% tincture of iodine in one quart of water. Allow the water to stand at least 30 minutes before it is used.
Questionable Drinking Water: BEST: Add liquid chlorine bleach to the water. Eight drops per gallon of water. Double this dose if the water is cloudy. GOOD: Add 2% tincture of iodine to the water. (12 drops per gallon of water). Double this dose if the water is cloudy. ACCEPTABLE: boil the water vigorously for ten minutes.

Bath Tub cracked yet?-- 1969-1972, 26'-31' Avion Travel Trailer. Share you solution or support study of fiberglass replacement project or sign up for '69-'72 Registry. (3/98) Contact Gene Holder #14990, 1409 Kershaw Drive, Raleigh, NC 27609 (888) 337-2266.

Wanted— Water Heater Cover—-- I have a 24 ft 1962 Avion trailer and am looking for the outside cover which goes over the cover for the hot water tank. This cover extends outside of the trailer about two or three inches.. The trailer currently has an electric replacement heater, and I still have the original heater which is propane and wish to re-install it, because where I camp is in the rural section of upper Michigan.. Any suggestions or help will be greatly appreciated.. Thanks (8/21/2000).Jim Huff Crimp Joints?— I have 1987 Avion 34X. I bought it earlier this year. Just noticed that the plumbing is plastic using the crimp joints. Remember reading that the crimp joints were used instead of glue but the crimps were subject to fatigue and failed quit often in household plumbing. The crimp method is no longer used I think. We are worried about future leaks. Does anyone know if there is chronic failure of the plumbing joints in Avions where crimps were used instead of glue? (8/23/00).Van Abbott, Fallbrook CA. 760 731-2988. Email=vgabbott@hotmail.com

Holding Tank Leak— I have a 1967 H-24 Avion with a leak in the fiberglass holding tank. Do you have any suggestions as to the easiest way to access the tank? My best guess as to the location of the leak is the inboard side, at or on the bottom. Also I need the complete guts for the door latch or at least the latch slide. Any information would be greatly appreciated.T. J. Day, Ft Lauderdale, Florida — sefmarine@aol.com:

Holding Tank Leak—Tom StockI have a 1983 35 ft. Avion. My father recently trailered it from Florida to Minnesota. Some of the metal under the fresh water tank had come loose. He accidently drilled a few holes trying to put the metal back in place and drilled up through the fresh water tank. Does anyone have ideas on what the best way to fix this will be? I'd love to hear them atTLS12089@aol.com

How to remove the DRAIN!—E.J. Stith — ranger@mail.tlh.fdt.net— My tub drain on my '88 34Y is corroded. How does one replace that drain? I see no way to get to it from the bottom. Does it screw out the top (inside the tub)? A guy at Lowes said there is a tool to do exactly that but everyone I talk to says one has to take off a nut on the bottom of the tub. Makes no sense to me. Help Please —E.J. Stith

How to work on your shower/tub fittings.— I found on my 34-V if you remove the bed surround padding at the head of the bed there are instructions on the wall for removing/replacing/repairing your shower fixtures. Access to the bath tub is at the head of the bed. In my 34-W, I remember a panel on the hall side of the bathroom wall held with screws (only panel in the trailer with visible screws) this panel probably gives you access in a side bath model.

Water heater not staying lite?Check Harvey Barlow's tip underheating & furnacesabout spider remains in the valve.

Inca Plastic Tanks

Needed --Tips on water leaks.


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REFRIGERATORS

September 19, 2000 — Refrigerator not Refrigging?—cmcjackson@hotmail.com: Just purchased a 1978 Avion Model 26-F and can't get the refrigerator cool. I've tried it on propane, 12v and 110v but nothing seems to work. I've heard there is a breaker I should be looking for but as of yet, I haven't found it. The control panel switch for the frig is in the alarm mode and the buzzer sounds. Any suggestions would be "very cool"! Thanks, Steve Jackson, Port Orchard, WA. (360) 895-3345 or emailcmcjackson@hotmail.com: (Email updated 12/09/2000).

Suggestions:The obvious suggestions: Check that the gas tanks are turned on. Check that the gas tanks have gas! Check that the gas line valve at the rear of the Refrigerator is turned on. Check that the circuit in the breaker box (usually located in the closet in the bath room) is on. Turn the breaker switch off and then on in the event this trailer has a GFI for the entire trailer (they trip for almost any reason if they do). Check the igniter if it is auto ignition. If it is manual you have to light the pilot light! Remember refrigerator like to be level otherwise they don't work. You can damage the refrigerator if it is out of level for too long.

Suggestions:FromMarv Finkle— To anyone with a refrig that doesn't cool . After checking all the electric and gas problems and I couldn't find any problem with it . It still didn't cool.I talked to an old refrigeration man that worked on ammonia systems . H e told me to remove the unit from the camper and turn it upside down and "burp it". I did this several times and put it back in the camper and still it didn't Work. I put the refrigerator in the garage for the summer. just by chance I hooked it up to see if it would work yet. Low and behold it did. So try burping the refrigerator and the let it sit right side up for several days to week so everything drains back to the bottom of the pipes and try it again. I was surprised at the way this worked but it did and the refrigerator is still working great today. You can email me atmmfinkle@cin.netlet me know if it works. (11/23/00). I have an 83 30 Ft. Avion.

Suggestions:FromFred H.— Many refer problems are caused by tiny air bubbles trapped in the capillary tubes in the cold plate (s) of the unit that stop the flow of the ammonia solution through the tubes. This is usually caused by the plates being a few bobs off plumb for a period of time. One way to prevent this problem is to level the coach to the cold plate in the freezer (a small circular level placed on the cold plate will allow you a good referance). If the refer does quit refeeing or only reefs in a deminished capacity, an easy solution to the problem is to switch the refer over to LP mode and allow it to operate during the towing of the coach. The energy of the constant road vibration along with the proper convection of the ammonia solution being heated by the LP source moves the trapped air bubbles through the cap tubes and restores proper operation of the system. This "free energy" generated during travel can also be used to keep your black water tank as clean as any system sold for this purpose. After empteing the tank before travel, run 5-10 gallons of water into the tank, add a cup of laundry detergant and let physics take over while you roll down the road. (Thanks to my Uncle Wilbur, a fellow Avion owner, for that trick) — (3/14/01) —Frank H.

Burping Worked:FromSteve Jackson— I have a 1978 Model F with a fridge/freezer that just wasn't getting cold. I had emailed your site looking for help and was finally preparing to shell out the money to buy a new fridge when I met a terrific repairman at the RV Outlet Mall in Port Orchard WA. Instead of selling me a new unit (which as you know is no minor expense) he suggested taking out my old unit, turning it upside down and driving it around in the back of my pickup for three days to "burp" the unit. I should mention that my trailer had sat motionless for several years prior to my recent purchase. Well, I didn't take the unit out but I did take my trailer for a drive and towed it for several miles, braking and accelerating (I was also testing out my new trailer brake) and found that the movement of the trailer caused a burping process to take place in the fridge (an ammonia unit). Now my fridge gets VERY cold and the freezer actually freezes quite well. The inside of those ammonia unit refridgerators crystalize if left still for too long (or so I'm told) and the movement helps to break up those crystals and get everything working properly again. It certainly worked for me and saved me a couple thousand dollars in the process. Just thought I would send the info along in case someone else faced the same dilemma.Steve Jackson, Port Orchard WA. (360) 895-3345

Dometic Refrigerator Boards: FromBill Rahm— Some model Dometic refrigerators have had problems with the electronic control board. On models were the thermocouple is connected to the control board, ground loops can develop that will overwhelm the thermocouple signal. Usually, the burner will light but will not stay lit. A good first step is to clean the burner and make sure the jet is clear. Use only alcohol and compress air to clean the jet. Do not use any hard object. If the burner will still not stay lit, remove the ground terminal which is located just in front of the control board, and clean all the connections. The ground terminal contains six lugs and is riveted at one end and screwed to the refrigerator frame at the other end. There may be two or three ground wires fastened under the mounting screw. I drilled the pop rivet and removed the mounting screw. After cleaning all the ground terminals, and replacing the it to the frame rail, the refrigerator worked perfectly. If you determine that the control board is defective and must be replaced, take a look at ....Dinosaur Electronics Home. High quality circuit boards for RV appliances(http://www.dinosaurelectronics.com/). for a replacement board. There is information worth reading about control boards on this site. (4/21/02).Bill Rahm


Got any Refrigerator Suggestions you can add.Send Suggestions

Midwest Products— RV Mobile— Absorption Refrigeration— National Propane Gas Assocation

RV Parts Outlet— RV Salvage— RVer's Salvage


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SUSPENSION (includes Hitches)

How Weight Distribution Hitches Work      —         Disney Campers Hitch Guide- For general hitch information.

Reese Products- Hitches

Henschen Axle Co.— Suppliers of the Dura Torque axles. Contact Jim Kitzmiller 937-596-6125 x102
Dura-Torque Axlepage atInland RV

From the Bilsteun Website
http://www.bilstein.com
FLEETWOOD Avion Trailer 1992-2001 HD B36-1625

From the NHTSA website:
OFFICE OF DEFECTS INVESTIGATION, NSA-10 SAFETY ASSURANCE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/defect/monthly/1999/199907.html
PE99-041 AVION AND WESTPORT 36/37 FOOT 1997-1998 DRAW PIN BOX 16-Jun-99

Bearing Part Numbers
Various Axles10" Dexter12" DexterKelsey Hayes
Inner BearingLM 67048China 25580?
Outer BearingLM 44649LM 67048?
Bearing SealTeknonsa 5604Tekonsa 5606?
Thanks to Chuck Cayo for the Dexter Part Numbers.

August 26, 2000—OldBzrd@aol.com: Hi, I have a 1973 28' Travelcader (manufactured 10/72) which just threw a shoe! Actually, the front left (driver side) wheel just cracked off at the spindle. I have been unable to locate a replacement axle for this unit. Cayo says I have to replace it with a 12" version which means both axles, all backing plates, brakes and drums. I cannot afford that much even though the trailer is in pretty good shape with a new water heater and furnace (both replaced within the last year). I travel lots and am missing my home on the road while I search out a fix. I will be in Lansing, MI next week, and then off by Sept. 7th to Arrow Rock, MO and Winfield, KS on route to Sauguache and Denver, CO then back to Shawnee, KS and St. Louis, MO. Homebase is in southeastern OH. Any suggestions/parts/or ideas would be appreciated. Respond to me at OldBzrd@aol.com Soon,Dan
August 28, 2000— Also, I have the moreride suspension already. I had new pads installed about 2 years ago. Yes, it is nice and I love the trailer. That is why I would like to locate the 10" axle or a place that can repair the original one. I'm working on getting it off the unit, so the name of the axle shop in Elkhart would be goo too. Thanks for helping me out. Soon,Dan

May 17, 2001— Brake Drum Needed - Desperately need a 1973 25 foot trailer wheel drum. Please help me. We are broke down and paralyzed Send reply togrwmew@aol.com

February 11, 2002—Fifth Wheel Suspension-Jerry Turre—Jerry.Turre@ci.corvallis.or.us: I have a 1997 Avion with the torsion axles. At least I think that's what they are. There are no leaf springs and there are shocks mounted at an angle to the frame. The trailer is a 5th wheel which I tow with a 1999 4X4 Dodge 1-ton tuck. The height of the truck causes the front of the trailer to be higher than the back when hooked up. I would like to have the trailer level when being towed which requires the axles to be lowered, thereby raising the height of the trailer. The tail end of the trailer currently is about 10" above ground when hooked up which limits where I can take it. I can't lower the front by adjusting the hitch as it would ride too close to the bed rails. I can't lower the truck due to the environment I drive in, so I will need to raise the trailer. Any idea how to lift this trailer? Any place I can look for that information?
(2/12/2002) — I received a final solution from the dealer for lowering the axles on the trailer. They advised they basically add on a short peice of frame below the existing frame and add mounts to the new frame for the axles and shocks. Total cost is about $1,300.00. Maybe I will just tow it as is and be very very careful where I take it. Thanks for all the help.
(2/27/2002) —. I did call the factory. They said they do not do That sort of modification. They referred me to Dexter Axle (405-262-6700)and said they might be able to help me. Dexter Axle was familiar with the type of axle and they said they have not lifted any trailers with that axle. I described to them a fix for the problem offered By Guarantee Recreational Vehicles in Junction City Oregon. That fix is to remove the entire axle assembly and shocks, weld a short sub frame under the original frame, then reattach the axles to the sub frame. This would increase the vehicle height by the height of the new sub frame. They want $1,200 for this fix which involves a fair amount of welding and fabrication. Dexter axle felt that modification would work with this particular axle. After looking at the entire assembly it looks like that is the only way to do it. I will likely go ahead with it because the current setup limits where I can take the trailer. Thanks for all the help and I will let you know how it works out after I get the work completed and try it out.
(July 20, 2002) — I took it to another RV service center in Albany,Oregon and they did the lift for $576.00. This was half the price quoted by Guaranty in Junction City. They did a beautiful job. The fix also made the trailer tow better and it is level when on the truck. I had the trailer lifted 6 inches at the axles. The business that did the work was McKay Truck and RV Center at 6225 NE Old Salem Road, Albany, OR. 541-928-3331. They said the factory often doesn't do a very good job on axle alignment and they would make sure they were aligned properly when fitted. We can now go a lot more places we couldn't go before with the extra clearance. It also gave us a little more distance between the bed rails and the bottom of the cab-over section of the 5th wheel. I have had other work done at McKay and they have always done an excellent job with very fair prices. They have always gotten me in quickly and the work is completed promptly. I will not take my 5th wheel anywhere else for repairs.Jerry Turre:

August 1, 2002—Retrofitting shocks to axles— From Rodger Dangremond — asked about retrofitting shocks to the torque-flex axle design. Avion had this available back in the early 90's for the big 5th wheels. Cayo wasn't sure they were still available. They didn't think the results were very significant.

September 4, 2002 — Avion Suspension Alignment/Repair—Harvey Barlow - HarveyBarlow@sbcglobal.net— Is it appropriate to align the suspension of an Avion by having a shop bend the stub axles? I know the Avion has provision for suspension adjustment, but if the adjustment holes produce an error one way then an opposite error in the other hole and can't get it correct, can the axles be bent? Alignments on Airstreams are done by bending the torsion axles, there is no adjustment. I'm having difficulty having a proper suspension alignment done on my Avion. [1987 32-S] When I looked at it in Peoria before I accepted it, I noticed an uneven, feathered, wear pattern on the right rear tire. The seller said he had checked the alignment using the method prescribed in the owner's manual and it the suspension was correctly aligned. I took it to SAM's Club the following morning before I left Peoria and had a new set of Michelins installed. During that 8,000 mile journey, I noted the right rear tire was wearing so upon my return home, I took it to a local truck alignment shop. Several years ago I had them align a triple axle Airstream and they did a good job so I trusted them. Well, this time they did a lousy job. I pulled the trailer another 3,200 miles to Indiana and back to attend a Dodge-Cummins TDR rally at the Cummins engine plant. The tire wear continued. I took the trailer to another shop today and had them check the alignment. Rear axle tow in is 5/16," front axle tow in is 1/8," and three stub axles have 1/2"+ camber, the right rear has 1/2"- camber. I have spoken with the original shop owner and plan to take it back to have it aligned again tomorrow. It seems that the right rear axle has been slightly bent in the past so the adjustment provided on the frame is not going to get it back like it should be. Advice? — I suggested a call to Cayo Repair. There was a shop in Elkhart IN they used to recommend. Does anyone know the name of that axle shop?DrG Robert Muncy: — My experience: I owned a 1983 with this system and have helped a friend replace axles -- he had a wheel freeze up and decided to replace the axles on his 1982 Tri-Axle, changing to large drums, etc. He ordered the Dexter axles directly from the factory. His son, a machinist, cut the axles in the middle and welded on the end piece that connects in the middle. I worked under the trailer and my friend on the outside, We fastened the spring hangers etc. and we installed the axles. Now, to align, one way is to drive to a level parking lot and let the tow vehicle and trailer coast to a stop as straight as possible without using the brakes (which could cause one or more wheels to slightly angle one way or another). Then, a straight piece of lumber was placed across the middle of each wheel (without hub caps) resting on the tire sidewalls to determine if all 3 wheels were angled in the same direction (a piece of angle iron that is long enough would be better). Then a measurement was taken from the back wheels (side to side) and then the front wheels (side to side) to see if there was a significant difference. As you know washers can be moved on the middle hookup to make adjustments. There are more exacting ways to determine alignment IF you can locate a shop (or mechanic) that understands the way this suspension system works, etc. It is not a really exacting suspension system. At best, I believe you will experience some uneven tire wear. The upside: This system produces a very smooth ride in the trailer and can be worked on by "shade tree mechanics" like myself. My friend chose to use regular 7:00 X 15 inch 8 ply belted truck tires, replacing them about every 3 - 4 years, and hardly ever experienced a tire failure (he argued that the low cost of these tires -- about $60 each -- made this an economical yet practical method). By the way, I had five sets of tires on my 1983 during the seven years I owned it and about 100,000 miles of logged travel. I never could prevent some uneven wear. I had it in the shop several times for alignment which never made much difference. I corrected the alignment as described above, which helped some. I rotated the tires each time I packed the wheels (about once each year).Robert Muncy: Harvey Barlow Early this morning, before I was to take my trailer back to the truck alignment and repair shop, I called Bill Cayo as you suggested. He was there taking calls before 8:00 a.m.! He advised that the best possible solution was to buy a new stub axle which, to may surprise, is available from him for the reasonable price of $227.50/axle. He says he has Dexter make up the axles for him just like they once supplied them to Avion. The more I learn about Cayo Repair the more impressed I am and the more confident I am that I can use and maintain this high-quality trailer for the rest of my life even though it is an orphan. Bill also stated that it is acceptable to simply bend the existing axles if they are not severely damaged.
Armed with the info from Bill Cayo, I took the trailer to the repair shop that botched the initial alignment and got under the trailer with the mechanics and observed every detail. They restored the inside joint of the right rear stub axle to its original center hole position then bent it with two sturdy hydraulic jacks placed under the ends of the axle and a pneumatic puller with a large hook that reached around the axle and pulled down in the center, reducing camber. When they were satisfied with the camber, they used a huge sledge hammer striking the center rear of each rear axle to bend the center of the axle forward thus reducing tow in. I think it will be fine now. Harvey Barlow

Brakes and Shock Absorber replacement —1987 Avion 32-S. Harvey Barlow. I recently removed the wheels and brake drums to perform brake and bearing maintenance. The brakes appeared to be original and were well worn so I bought a set of four new loaded brake backing plates fromSouthwest Wheel http://www.southwestwheel.com. The backing plates come with new brake linings, magnets, and all hardware and sell for approximately $45/wheel. While the brakes were off, I decided to remove and test the shock absorbers as well. The shocks didn't offer much resistance to compression or rebound so I decided to replace them also. (This trailer is equipped with Dexter leaf springs and independent stub axles called "Adjust-A-Ride by Avion) My local Dexter parts dealer could not order individual shocks from his catalog, only pairs of shocks complete with all installation hardware for new trailer installation. The kits sold for $80/axle. I didn't need the kits so I sent an e-mail to Dexter. The reply I received indicated I could order individual shocks from Dexter with P/N 052-003-00 which retail for $32.45. The Dexter spokesman also advised that Dexter shocks are manufactured by Monroe andMonroe P/N 19176is identical. I went to my local NAPA store where the Monroe P/N was crossed to a NAPA number and I bought the shocks for about $27/ea. NAPA sells repackaged Monroe shocks. Hope this information helps someone attempting to perform similar repairs. Harvery Barlow - HarveyBarlow@sbcglobal.net

Replacement of Worn Hitch Coupler.— The hitch coupler on the tongue of my 1987 Avion 32-S was sufficiently worn that I could feel the slack when I engaged the clutch of the tow vehicle or applied the brakes. The repeated shock was very annoying when pulling in stop and go traffic. I determined the original coupler was an Atwood Mobile Home coupler rated at 25,000#. I contacted Bill Cayo (Cayo Repair Service) for advice and a part number. I also did my own research and learned that the original coupler was not adjustable for wear and repair parts are not made or available for that model, possibly because mobile homes are not towed frequently. I found that Atwood still manufactures the hitch coupler under part number 82680 and it was available from Southwest Wheel (http://www.southwestwheel.com)at a cost of $32.01 plus tax. Southwest Wheel is located in Dallas and Lubbock, TX. The shop mechanic and welder at SW Wheel burned the original coupler off with an acetylene torch and welded the replacement on with an arc welder for a charge of $40. The slack between towing ball and coupler that caused the annoying thud whenever I started off is now gone and towing is much more relaxing. — Harvey Barlow - HarveyBarlow@sbcglobal.net

Shocks at NAPA— Just wanted to add some info to shock absorber replacement. Replaced the shocks on my 1969 T25 with NAPA #555025 $33.49 each. (10/19/2004) — zech@carolina.rr.com

NAPA SHOCKS — (March 2012) — the body of the shock was stamped P200E, the box is a Monroe box and stamped on one end is the NAPA logo with these numbers 555025 and DC 09217. Not sure if these are NAPA numbers. The stamping on the actually shock is most likely Monroes number. Shocks come with all the bushings, washers, nuts, etc. About $50 each. from Ken Pens, KPens@verizon.net March 2012

Lug Nut problem noted - 10 Meter Avion.— David Cole - DavidCole@tk7.net— I have attached some pictures of the latest modification I have performed to the 34 ft Avion I talked to you about before. After repacking the wheel bearings I discovered that the lug bolts used did not fully engage the wheel hubs - there was less than 1/2" of thread engagement due to the aluminum wheels being thicker than equivalent steel wheels. I searched for some longer wheel lug bolts and could not find a source. The problem was solved by buying screw in wheel studs from Redneck trailer supply - part number 25-53. It took 36 to change all of the hubs (triaxle). I also bought 36 new Chrome lugnuts from Redneck. It worked out great. The studs engage the hubs a full 3/4" while the lug nuts engage the studs about 3/4". I'm about to dive into the floor repair in the bathroom (rear bath-rotted floor). It's not going to be pretty for quite a while. We'll see how that goes. Regards, Dave

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TIRES

Needed -- Fix for Tire Problems - 35.5-M- Have had a lot of trouble with blowing tires. Is this common with this model? I have heard of a conversion to 16" tires so that one can put "E" load tires on. Can someone help? Doug Potter -Doug.Potter@hds.com.

Trailer Tire Article at Champion Trailers

Goodyear RV Tire Solutions

Everything you need to know about tires from Hemmings

Every tire has a US Department of Transportation serial number - something likeDOT DBCA A55 418 GCD359. Thelast three digitstell you theweek and yearthe tire was made. The coding ending in359indicates that the tire was manufactured the 35th week of 1999 (or 1989). Beginning with 2001 the code is now 6 numbers long: the number of week and the year.

Thanks toHelshfor the following links: US DOT FAQ on Tires 

HARD TIRE COVER— from Rodger Dangremond — Just came back from Cayo today and asked them about the tire covers. They have only had one request for a fiberglass tire cover. Mold costs would be at least $500.00 so we would need orders for a dozen and a half covers to justify the expense of making a mold. —OK. Anyone out there know if there are others who might be interested in the hard fiberglass tire cover for the rear mounted tires like use to be on all the older Avion Trailers and Motor Homes when the tire was mounted on the rear bumper? SeeInteresting Email for July 23, 2002for the story of what happens to your tire cover when you are getting rewelded! - DEG Test for size

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VENTS

Need a new vent cap?— CheckLindeen Vent Capsfor replacements of Hammand Vent Covers. Available through most RV. Dealers. FromRick RichnowCheck at : Marks RV:Vents.

Most roof Vents on Aluminium Avions are a "Hammond Skydome" roof vent.

January 20, 2001— I have an 83 Avion 30P. the vents are cracked and warped from the weather. This makes them hard to open. I've looked around and am having trouble finding the correct replacements. Does anyone know where I can find these caps at.Marv Finkle. My email address ismmfinkle@cin.net.

Vent Cover—Gail— Needed to find a vent cover for ceiling fans in 1976 LaGrande. Fleetwood gave me the phone # forCAYO Repair Inc., (new address) 4835 M-140, Watervliet, Michigan 49098.  Telephone (269) 463-5068, FAX (269) 463-5073.The gentleman at Cayo said that they fabricate this and other parts for our older (but better) Avions. Cayo, I understand is a very short distance from the Avion mfg. plant. Don't know the connection but notice that Avion/Cayo on some of your references. Very nice man and helpful. Been looking for this for 3 years. Also helped with a problem with sticky walls. Be Happy Campers. (2/22/2002).Gail.


WINDOWS

March 13, 2001—Tracy Ross— We just purchased a 1958 Avion--model R20..Serial #--708. She is in very good condition. All original appliances and toilet. Towed it from Peru, IN to Iowa City, IA yesterday with no problems. There was no owners manual with it so an information you can share would be very much appreciated. If you want us to send pictures we can. Also, do you know where we can get new window seals? Thanks!quadeross@mcleodusa.net.

May 23, 2003—Harvey Barlow—Steps in replacing your Window Operators (Gearbox):
  1. Remove window screen from inside frame by gently lifting until lower edge of screen clears window frame.
  2. Carefully remove c-clamps that attach window lift arms to window operator shaft. Save clamps.
  3. Prop window open with wooden block or other suitable device.
  4. Drill out rivets or remove screws that attach window operator to window frame.
      Rivets or screws must also be removed from bracket that attaches window operator shaft to opposite side of window frame.
  5. Slide operator shaft mounting bracket up the window channel until bracket and window operator shaft will clear window frame.
      Remove mounting bracket, operator shaft, and window operator.
  6. Separate shaft and operator by pulling or prying shaft from old operator.
  7. Attach replacement window operator to window frame with screws or rivets.
  8. Insert operator shaft into window operator paying attention to keys and keyways. May require tapping lightly with hammer.
  9. Install mounting bracket on opposite end of operator shaft.
10. Lift operator shaft and bracket upward until end of bracket will clear window frame.
11. Gently press bracket and shaft into window frame then lower into original position and attach with screw or rivets.
12. Reattach lift arms to operator shaft and install c-clamps.
13. Check for proper operation.
14. Reinstall window screen.

Removing your Avion Windows? CheckBill Rahm's Windows tips of 28-Aug-2003

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Interesting Email

Interesting items of interest to Avion Owners
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Thanks to all those sharing their Avion wisdom, trials and accidents!.

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[Soon the Emails from 1999-2001 will be moved to a sparate page to allow this page
to load faster I will add a link to those emails when the move is made. — DEG]

January 9 1999:bruceronda@earthlink.net:   I just purchased a 1962 model T20, is there anywhere I can find information on construction of the trailer, parts and repairs, and other owners. The number of our trailer is 1657. Thanks so much for any help that you may be able to provide.Bruce Ebling, 1501 River Loop #1, Eugene, Oregon 97404

January 11 1999: Don: I was very pleased with all of the help you were able to offer! The red numbers on the side of the trailer are #687. I would like to be listed on your travel club. Please list us as Bruce and Ronda Ebling;bruceronda@earthlink.net: What is the best source of things like repairs, wiring diagrams, system diagrams and what type of frame construction and tire recommendations; as you can see I have hundreds of questions as we would like to tear into the trailer and get it looking nice again. It is real original and we don't want to change anything major, just new upholstery, linoleum, and curtains. We are looking into spraying the interior with a neutral color to make it look warmer. Any suggestions as to sources would be awesome! Thanks again for writing, I appreciate all of the time you have given me.Bruce Ebling

March 7 1999: Don: Thanks so much for the great letter and kind words about our new addition. It made me smile to know that you thought the trailer was in fine condition. I have restored several cars in the past so I am no stranger to what it takes. The one thing I feel a loss for is a shop manual or any data to guide my work. Being a newcomer to trailers doesn't help either. You say to start on the axles, springs and brakes. I bought some nice aluminum mags to go on the trailer to replace the split rims that are on it. I will go into the brakes and bearings at that time. What should I look for in the axles and springs? At the moment I do not have a website to put the photos on, but my son is a computer programmer in Seattle and I have been pestering him to help me build a website. I have several other pictures I did not send. Hopefully we can work something out. Do you know the address of the Avion factory to write to concerning wiring diagrams and such? After the brakes, tires, bearing and undercarriage work, I need to work on the wiring, it has been spliced and I will need to clean it up. Also the hand air pump for the water does not work, I am thinking of installing a 12V electric water pump. The shade on the front window needs repair and I would like to re install an awning. I think I have my work cut out for me. You just don't know how much I appreciate hearing from you, your letters are informative and such fun to read. Thanks so much and God Bless you Bruce Ebling

NOTE: Email ADDRESS ABOVE ON VACATIONbut will be reactivated. We all hope very soon

March 10, 1999:Bruce.D.EBLING@odot.state.or.us. — [Address in previously messages is temporarily on vacation.] — Don: Just a quick note from work; our home was burglarized and we lost just about anything worth carrying. Anyway, I got those photos transferred to earthlink. My computer was taken so I will be off-line for a while. If you need to contact me you can do it at this email address. Hope to get back to you as soon as things get settled here Bruce Ebling P.L.S., Oregon Dept. of Transportation. 160 Madison Street, Eugene, OR 97402, Ph. 541-686-7610, Fax 541-686-7903

March 12, 1999: NEW ADDRESS! -Bruce.D.EBLING@odot.state.or.us. — [Address in previously messages is temporarily on vacation.] —Don: Thanks for introducing me to Dave Miller. He seems like an awesome person and I know we can be of a big help to each other in restoring our trailers. I also know he is a caring man and he has been a comfort to Ronda and I in our time of trouble. My hope is that someday we can all get together and meet face to face. Thanks to you again for all of your concern and help. I did shut down my earthlink account until I can get online again.Bruce Ebling P.L.S., Oregon Dept. of Transportation. 160 Madison Street, Eugene, OR 97402, Ph. 541-686-7610, Fax 541-686-7903

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February 9 1999:rvbildr@mindspring.com:   Hi DrG, Yes, thanks to Gene and Betty Cody we found a lot to rent there at the Palms. There were many lots for rent posted on the bulletin board at the clubhouse. I forwarded your letter to the Codys as they're still at the Palms and might could help out with the info on the net. That's a great idea. I hope it can be a reality. Incidentally, if you want to write the Codys direct, their e-mail is two4sun@strato.net They are the only ones I met while there that are active on the net, etc. We thoroughly enjoyed our visit there at Avion Palms. We rented a lot for the last 2 weeks of Jan. for $75. per week. The lot I was renting sold two days before we left. A nicer group of people you could never hope to meet. We are considering the purchase of a lot there. There were many for sale priced between $9,000 and about $15,000. Thanks for your help.Mal:


March 10 1999:EpsMe@aol.com:   I ran across your Web site and saw this link: Send size & model numbers for missing Avions. I am the proud owner of a 1963 Model H-24, Serial Number 240124. My father generously gave it to me a couple of years ago. In fact, my family lives in St. Joseph, Michigan (the twin city of Benton Harbor), and I worked at the Avion manufacturing plant while attending junior college in 1965.       I now live in Kansas City, Kansas, and have been restoring this unit. Please E-mail me with any comments or questions you may have.EpsMe@aol.com:  


March 11 1999:GOOE1215@aol.com:   Yes, you can list us as owners. Owen & Caroline Fuchs; P. O. Box 613; Highlands, TX 77562. We are currently rebuilding ours with a new Atwood water heater, a new Suburban furnace and new holding tanks. When we are finished, we will also have a microwave, a TV/VCR, & a slightly different front table/bed setup that will give us more seating and bed space. We have restored the shower, the oven/stove, and the toilet to the original 1964 equip[ment. We have also installed a Coleman A/C through the roof. In short, the finished product will be similar to the original, but will have many modern conveniences,Owen


March 12 1999:millerdj@bellsouth.net:   Dr. Gradeless: Just looked at the new addition to the site. I think that is a great idea! This may spark a wave of people to rebuild and repair their trailers. It will also give those that are, a list of people that, if nothing else, can tell them what NOT to do. Great Idea! From the information I gathered from Chuck Cayo I am going to make some detailed diagrams to show how to properly repair the floor. If not done correctly, according to Chuck and my limited understanding of physics, the flexing and resulting torque could cause problems down the road. (No pun intended.) This of course will probably fit better in the repair column. Keep up the good work and thanks for the e-mails. Dave & Judy Miller:


March 12 1999:Dave & Judy pick up their Avion! —millerdj@bellsouth.net:   Dr. Gradeless: You hit the nail right on the head. We have been in the trailer all day working and cleaning it up. It's a lot of work, but it is fun, at least it is right now. It is not only getting us a clean trailer, but it is an education. I don't know how many times we found something that we didn't know came with it and other times we'd ask, "What's this? Only a couple of "Oh, no's!"
      Anyway, let me start with the trip up to Wisconsin. Both of the fellows that were going to help me drive had to back out at the last minute. My grandson, Cameron (11 years old) road with me and navigated. I mean he really did navigate. He not only read the maps, but he figured the gas mileage and used the "Exit Authority" to tell me what facilities were where. It sure saved us a lot of time, guesswork and worry. I wouldn't travel on the Interstates again with out one of those books.
      We started out at 9:15 AM on Saturday the 20th of March. Our original goal was to reach Effingham, Illinois and stop to rest at a motel. We kept extending the goal as we felt fairly good. We stopped at rest stops walked a little to get the kinks out and twice rested for about twenty minutes. We were beat but we arrived in Richland Center, Wisconsin about 8:30 AM on Sunday.
      We ate breakfast at an old restaurant (The Round Barn) that I had eaten at when I was about eight years old. My family and I were on our way to Minnesota to my grandmother's funeral and we had stopped at that restaurant to eat. I hadn't planned it at all, in fact I didn't even remember where it was, other than in Wisconsin. Cameron said he was hungry and I saw a sign that said they had breakfast. Then I saw the restaurant and then the sign. Kind of gave me a "chill".
      I think we surprised the owners of the trailer. They knew that we were on our way, but I don't think that they expected us that soon. But, they were very gracious and hospitable. I had asked many questions about the trailer, but now I wanted to see, feel and touch it.
      We went out and took the "tour". I wasn't aware that it was a LaGrande, The cabinetry was superb, The carpet was very dated and the "soft spot" that the owner had described by the door was indeed soft, there were very few "beauty marks", it was obvious that the trailer had set idle for the four years the owner had told me about and the tires, all four of them, were flat and badly weather cracked. But, it was beautiful to me.
      Cameron and I moved our clothes and other gear into the trailer and set about learning and fixing what was needed to be fixed for the trip. We were too excited to go to sleep. After a while I felt that a short rest was in order, but couldn't sleep. The owners Tom and Edith Kooyumjian were very hospitable and took us on a tour of their tree farm. We took them out to eat a fine dinner at one of the local (twenty some miles away) restaurants and then settled in for the night in a room they graciously provided for us.
      The next morning we found a notary public and had the papers notarized and then removed the wheels and packed the bearings and headed for town to get new tires. My first stop was to the local Wal Mart. I can't say enough about the people in Wisconsin. These people in Wal Mart said they would love to sell me tires, but they didn't have the type of tire that they felt was best for travel trailers. They took the time to call around and locate a tire dealer that did have them.
      The tire dealer mounted the best 8 ply tires he had on my rims. I was at first concerned about the 8 ply holding heat, due to the mass. The dealer said, "A radial will flex and these are more rigid. This will help to reduce the effects of passing 18 wheelers." That sold me.       We replaced the tires and made everything ready for an early "escape" in the morning. After a good nights sleep and some great coffee we headed out just after sunrise.
      I was a bit surprised at how well truck handled, since it was towing the limit on weight. While the starts were very slow, compared to normal driving, I only had to down shift to the next gear about five, or six times the whole trip. That's in some fairly decent hills too! Traveling at 65 to 70 I was able to get a shade over 10 MPG! When I went 55 (mandatory in Wisconsin and Illinois) we got around 12 MPG.
      We stopped frequently to check the tires, bearings and for a stretch and drove through the night. Wednesday morning we were getting hungry and Cameron said he would like to eat at the Cracker Barrel. He found one on the Exit Authority and we pulled into one of the RV parking places. It was 4:30 AM and they didn't open until 6:00 AM so we climbed in the bunks and grabbed about an hour's rest. I love having my bed on my back.
      We arrived home about 2:00 PM tired, but still excited and of course Judy now had her first look at the trailer and we had to start working on and exploring the new "home". In my effort to carefully back into the driveway I put a small "beauty mark" on the top with the fascia of the house.
      Thanks for all the help and concern. It seems that whenever I find something wrong that disappoints me about the trailer I then find something that I didn't expect that balances it all out. We had our first meal in it tonight. Shortly, I will send you some pictures. Some of them will be for the floor repair, of which I will be doing a fair amount. —Dave & Judy Miller.

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March 30, 1999Eugene Hoenig: I am one of the owners of a '97-37-5W that suffered a pin box failure. This happened March 0f 1998. While Fleetwood paid for the repairs, I was amazed at their attitude concerning this problem.. They freely admitted to myself and another owner that they cut the size of the steel in the pin box support area from 7gauge to 11gauge metal. That is cutting the thickness of the metal almost in half..
      At the time of our failure, we were advised of seven other failures. I felt there was a public safety issue involved, so I communicated with Avion and Fleetwood. I even wrote the CEO of Fleetwood suggesting a recall or safety alert. He passed my letter down to the head of Fleetwood towables. His attitude was that since there was no separations or injuries, there was no problem..
      I took some of the metal and pictures of our disaster to a metallurgist, whose comment was, "it is not a question if the metal will fail, but rather when. I sent my info to NTSB and would urge anyone else who has suffered this failure to do the same. They will do nothing until they have several reports. Also information can be found on the web at the RV Consumers group. My pictures and narratives are posted there. Please hurry before some innocent person is hurt or killed.
Eugene Hoenig, Washington Unit 15631
COMMENTS to Gene — Questions: What was this fifth wheel being towed with? If you send me the URL of the web site for your pictures and narratives I will add a link to that site.


May 3, 1999 —Mike & Mary Mead: I have a 1960 Avion Model H-24TB. Serial # 2326. We keep this coach at The Oaks campground in Clinton, WI. According to our records the coach was purchased on 7/13/60 by Douglas Covert of Beloit, WI. I believe Mr. Covert was President of a Travalcade for many years. There are many Travalcade stickers on the coach some which say president and the year. We have a list of 31 people who were members of the Western Canadian Travelcade summer of 1961. Mr. Covert sold the coach to Francis Christofferson on 10/5/77 for $2500.00 . We assume Mr. Christofferson traveled with it but have no information about him. In 1990 Mr. Christofferson sold the coach to Peter Piazza of Beloit, WI. for an undisclosed amount. Mr. Piazza kept the coach at The Oaks campground and sold it to the campground owner for and undisclosed amount in August 1998. I bought the coach in August 1998 for $1200.00 Unfortunately, the last few years or so have not been wonderful for the old coach. I am slowly repairing things and trying to restore as much as makes good sense. The plumbing was frozen and the refrigerator was toast but the cabinets and sink, shower and toilet, table etc. have survived relatively unscathed. While I will not be using the coach for traveling anywhere we do use it most weekends and on vacation. It is easy to see why so many are addicted to Avions. I have an original price list from 1960 for the following 5 trailers:
        20' Tourist.....$3480.00        21' Sportsman......$ 3490.00         24' Holiday....models H-24TB, H-24DB....$ 4213.00
        27' Travelcader....models T-27TB, T-27DB.....$ 4707.00         30' Imperial....models 1-30TB, 1-30DB.....$ 5587.00
        Another list from 1963 does not have the 21' Sportsman on it but does have a 18' Sportsman for $3452.00
We have the original operation and service manual along with most of the manuals for the furnace, waterheater,stove,brakes etc. Also there is a very nice color brochure of the above coaches complete with a floor plan of each model number. P.S.- I changed the blue and orange Avion signs on the coach to green andgold because we are the Packers campsite. Happy camping, Mike and Mary Meade, 440 Columbus Dr., Beloit, WI. 53511.mmeade@ticon.net

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June 12, 1999 —Bruce Ebling— I was able to use the Avion for the first time over the Memorial weekend. It was primitive since I still have not been able to splice the wiring harness back together for the 12v lights. I am also in the process of repairing the plumbing. None the less it was fun and we spent our first night in the trailer. I will later send some photos when they are developed. I am having a problem with a frozen dump valve for the toilet and have torn that area apart, the going is slow and tedious. My question is, does the T-20 have just one holding tank for the toilet, or is there another for the gray water. I have no documentation to help me out and I thought you may know. Your Friend,Bruce Ebling
Can Anyone out there in Avion Land offer some advise to Bruce on his T-20? — (See Bruces's earlier messages in March 1999.)
An assembly manual would be an awesome idea! With the entire trailer skinned in aluminum it is difficult to determine what is underneath and what is not. I had thought that installing a gray water tank might be a good thing, but to as where it could go is not easy to determine. I had to hack the old metal dump valve out piece by piece, I also had to destroy the plastic "Y" fitting below it, I just hope that I can get everything back together. I would love to hear any information of anyone who has installed a gray water tank on their earlier trailers. I have no problem posting this if you like. I will send photos soon. I have finished restoring the brakes and have sandblasted the tongue of the trailer and installed new propane tanks. I was worried the refrigerator would not work on propane, now I am wondering how to keep it from freezing everything! Thanks so much for all of your help.Bruce Ebling
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June 12, 1999 — It has been a while since I have written. I hope this note finds you well and happy. I was able to use the Avion for the first time over the Memorial weekend. It was primitive since I still have not been able to splice the wiring harness back together for the 12v lights. I am also in the process of repairing the plumbing. None the less it was fun and we spent our first night in the trailer. I will later send some photos when they are developed. I am having a problem with a frozen dump valve for the toilet and have torn that area apart, the going is slow and tedious. My question is, does the T-20 have just one holding tank for the toilet, or is there another for the gray water. I have no documentation to help me out and I thought you may know.Bruce Ebling


June 11 1999 — Subject: God's protection!— From:David W. Miller— You above all people know what it takes to find an Avion in the condition of the one we found, with your help. You also are aware of the work involved in getting it in shape to live in. Well, with great regret and yet gratitude, I give you the following story:
. . . . . . With great expectations and excitement of our first weekend out and away we headed off to Gulf Shores, Alabama. About twenty-five miles from home we were negotiating an overpass on I-12 entering I-10. I noticed, in my mirror that several trucks were coming up fairly fast and as you are aware this poses a problem with control when they pass you, while towing a trailer, so I moved as far to the right as practical and watched the first 18 wheeler go by, then the second and I was unaware of it, but Judy watched a third, all very close together.
. . . . . . The trailer is set up with anti sway bars, but this curve, the three jolts of air pressure started the trailer fishtailing. The God's protecting hand was on us no one was hurt, but the Avion was totaled! It flipped over on it's top in some pine trees looking like a ball of aluminum foil, in some places. It could have been so much worse. No injuries, no damage to our vehicles, no contact with anyone else, no waiting in hospital hallways (Or, worse!), no continuing lawsuits, just a big mess to clean up.Thank you Lord!
. . . . . . Since I only had liability coverage on my insurance the wrecker driver elected to only turn it over onto it's wheels and I pulled it home. We worked until about 11:00 PM getting the necessities out of the trailer and trying to clean up some. We will try to finish the clean up today.
. . . . . . Thanks for all your help on this one and after we "heal up" from this one we will be trying to get another one. After seeing what the trailer went through and the fact that one side of the trailer was still pristine and towable, I am even more sold on the Avion. Do you think that it would be feasible to "part it out"? As I said the panels on the one side are not touched in any way. Also, the appliances are still intact, not in place, but intact. The axles have all new bearings, seals, tires, etc.
. . . . . . Got to go and get started. Talk to you later. I will send you some pictures of the accident. I have a great shot of the underside of the Avion.Dave & Judy
June 27, 1999:
. . . . . Thanks for the e-mail. We never got to spend one night in our Avion! Fixed all the plumbing problems, had it all cleaned up, got a new TV with a VCR, new microwave, etc., new tires, bearings and seals. Had all contingencies planned for except that three 18 wheelers would pass me on an overpass at about 85 to 90 MPH while I was doing about 60 to 65.
. . . . . They were "drafting" and were very close to each other. Evidently the spacing of the trucks was perfectly timed to catch the trailer at the critical point and magnify the effects of the force of the "blow by" done by the truck before it.
. . . . . Whomp! Whomp! Whomp! By the third one the trailer wheels were screeching with each shift of the rear of the trailer. I would not be surprised if there were some "pilot error" in there somewhere, but it was all over in about 3 to 5 seconds. Truck and trailer spinning counterclockwise down the Interstate.
. . . . . Judy was in her car behind us and saw the whole thing take place. In fact, I never saw the third truck and I didn't realize that while the trailer was still attached to the truck that truck and trailer were going over on their sides. Judy saw that and said a quick prayer, "Dear Lord protect them!". The trailer separated from the truck and rolled over on its side and top and attacked a pine tree. The truck settled back down on it's four wheels. Talk about an answer to prayer!
. . . . . We naturally are not happy about the spoiled weekend, the dreams of the trailer and the monetary loss, but how can we be anything but grateful for God's protecting hand? We didn't get even a scratch. We drove away with both vehicles intact. No other vehicles were involved. No lawsuits, no injuries - thank you Lord!
. . . . . Now, about the future of the Avion. The day before we left I talked to my insurance agent and explained that we were going on our long awaited trip and asked him what all I might need (insurance wise). He explained (as I have done on many occasions when investigating accidents for the State Police) that the towing vehicle covers the insurance for the towed vehicle.
. . . . . After the accident I called him and he asked if there were any injuries, or contact with any other vehicles, or property damage. I said, "No." He explained that was good and that was all he needed to know as all I had was liability. (I'm not complaining, only explaining. I should have been more thorough.)
. . . . . Now, shortly I will send you some pictures of the damage. The trailer can't be used. The passenger's side is all bunged up and the inside is almost a total loss. It would be easier to explain what is still useable. The refrigerator, stove, toilet, axles, tires, aluminum gas tanks, furnace, electric winch and if possible the exterior panels on the driver's side. That side is pristine.
. . . . . Sorry I went on so long! Got any suggestions? —Dave & Judy Miller

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June 28 1999—Carolyn Mather: — Hi, I just bought a 1967 Model I 31 S/N 67-31009. It's a fixer-upper (BIG understatement here!). Is there any way that I can find out what the interior is supposed to look like? It's been remuddled. As I fix it up I would like to get as close to original as possible. What was the interior painted with? Please don't tell me the original finish was sky blue with clusters of gold glitter!! I would really like to change that. Also, is there a good source of window & ceiling fan screens? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much,Carolyn Mather
June 28, 1999 — I looked behind the cabinets & under the sink and just found more blue paint & glitter. I am pretty sure that the previous owner had gutted this trailer, painted & glittered it, and then built his own cabinets. He also removed the folding door to the bathroom, glued the rear window shut, and built 2 different sized single beds in the area before the bathroom. I think I will just clean it up, get rid of the glitter (or add a disco ball), do new paint & carpet, and not do anything major until I have a good idea of the original configuration.Carolyn Mather


June 28 1999—Randy Gardner: — I have recently aquired a 24-H, that is "permanently" at a campground in CT. It has been modified and we have been in the process of putting back the dining booth/bed in the front of the camper. The rest of it is as it was when it was built in 64/65. There is still much to do, including a complete cleaning of a very dirty and somewhat oxidized exterior. We are also a little concerned about a 'mushy place' in the floor but there is so much other work to do that we are reluctant to charge into it right now. Our serial # is 240218 model H-24. If you have any information on this camper we would appreciate sources etc. Signed,Randy Gardner:
PS. I was told that Avion was made by Airstream as a cheaper version. Frankly, I seriously doubted it. Is or is not this true?
June 28 1999 — The H-24 that I have is road worthy, and has new tires on it now since the old ones rotted out from sitting at the campground for the last 12 years. From the stickers on it, it has been all over the East and east coast. We live on Cape Cod and some of my wife's family own the campground in CT. where we can sneak away (2 hr. drive) from all the tourists and traffic during the summer time. Later on, if and when we get a vehicle capable of handling it, I would like to take it back out on the road, but it is still mobile as it is moved from the parking area to a camp site each time we use it for a week of vacation. Back to repair: The floor is tiled with no carpet in it. At present it has no leaks that we know of and the only reason it had leaks was because a tree limb dropped on it and it leaked until a fairly good repair was made and "all" leaks were put out of business. We have been working so hard on getting things "livable" that I have not looked very closely at exteriors since it is apparently not leaking right now. The last project I tackled before leaving yesterday was getting the kitchen sink plumbing back in order. I chose to rebuild the original faucet system rather than replace it. I put in new gaskets and o-rings and a new set of handles since the old ones had stripped out. We cut and fit 2" high density foam pads for the dining booth, that will lay down and form the "bed" when the table is dropped down. I used a nice grade of 3/4" luan mahogany to make the table and gave it about 5 coats of satin urethane. My wife now has the next round of fun stuff. We purchased color coordinated drapery and upolstery material that she is going to make the seat covers and curtains out of. Obviously this is going to take a while. According to both the registration and the Bill of Sale, my H-24 is a 1965. Does the H stand for holiday as I saw one of the other 24's listed? Thank you for your assistance and information. Yours truly,Randy Gardner:
January 2, 2000 — By the end of last summer we had finished "Phase 1" of our restoration. The interior now has a new dining booth (torn out by a previous owner) and new upholstered cushions and curtains through out. We kept the original mattresses which had been fairly well cared for and kept inside full size, cloth dust jackets. I also did a major cleaning of the exterior. I got a big, long handled, (4 feet) scrub brush and used Soft Scrub applied directly to the brush to scrub down the outside a section at a time and then I hosed it all off. It worked extremely well! After four hours of hard work we hardly recognized her beautiful 'new looking' skin! I also scrubbed years of grime and wax build up off the tile flouring. I would not let anyone in the camper. I lived on my hands and knees for two hours scrubbing away with Soft Scrub, steal wool, and a bristle brush. It was back and knee breaking work but the results were gratifying. At this point our H- 24 is definitely on the mend but half the fun is working on her!! Thanks for keeping the web site alive.Randy Gardner:

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January 8, 2000— Hi there. I am the proud owner of a 1977 Avion 22' Class C motorhome. I am trying to find other individuals who have the same unit for purposes of exchanging information. I am wondering if you have any members that have this unit and if so, are there enough to make it worth my while to join your organization. I am planning on retiring this coming fall and going full time on the road. My main interest is in finding replacement parts for things like window screen sliders, cabinet latches and other Avion only kinds of stuff. Your comments will be appreciated. Thanks.
I would be very appreciative of your listing my letter on your Website. It would be very interesting to hear from anyone owning my kind of unit. I just saw another one for sale in Muskegon, MI. I also spotted another one in Cadillac, MI. If you need any additional information that you think might be beneficial to include on the Website regarding my letter, just let me know. —Jon V. Twork:


January 10, 2000— I happened on to your site while surfing and noticed a letter in your wanted section asking for source information for drawer glides for Avions. We have a 1986 34 ft. Avion and have found it necessary to replace the glides. They are available fromWoodcraftat 560 Airport Industrial Park, PO Box 1686, Parkersberg, WV. 26102-1686. They have a toll free number 1 800 225 1153. I have found it necessary to install 2 or 3 of the glides on a drawer that is used for heavy items. You have a very nice web site. Happy Trails. —Robert M Dryden: We are the second owners of our Avion and are not listed with any club. We live in Minnesota and use our unit as a second home in San Diego during the winter months and travel very little with it otherwise so have not seen much advantage in joining a club. The slides in the Woodcraft catalog are identical replacements. I don't know if the manufacture is the same, but the product is. Woodcraft has a wonderful catalog for anyone doing woodworking and it is free. Just call them at 1 800-225 1153 and they will send one. They list 3 styles made by Accuride. I ordered the Model C 1029 in various lengths. I had to chisel additional notches in the bottom of the drawer when I used more than one slide on a drawer. —Robert M Dryden:


January 29, 2000— The 1959 Avion listed by John McCall is sold...I bought it. ThanksPerry Leeds.
January 29, 2000— I would like to be listed. We are in the process of restoring a 75 acre campground in the Pisgah Mts. of NC, near Blowing Rock. In the scheme of things we are planning to have 6 vintage Avion, Airstream, and other similar trailers from the 40s,50s & 60s. We currently have restored a 1953 41 ft. Vagabond and have it set up on site #1 as sort of a "model" site. I have owned several Airstreams, however, nothing compares to an Avion in my opinion. We currently have a 1973 LaGrande 31' that we travel with and its great. The 1959 I bought over your site is a little gem. I'm working on it now and it will be a rental as well. Our campground concept is primarily aimed at the seasonal camper, that's wants to pay one price for the year and either set up or come and go as they please. We wish we could be a primary campground for the vintage folks or our friends with Avions and Airstreams but we need cash flow right now. I enjoy "shopping" your site and have used Cayo repair (they were great) always looking for that special deal out there. Thanks again. Happy Travels! Perry Leeds.

January 29, 2000— We hope to be open by May 1st, 2000. The holdup is all the red tape waiting for the state to approve our water system. We have a new sewer system in, and our primary roads are in. We have 4 sites functional with units on them and a waiting list of 5 units to come in as soon as we can place them. We will have 28 full hook up sites and some water/electric sites. I wish I could have had a look at the Avion you spotted in Minn. I haven't seen one like that before. When did the Avion company begin? I really don't know much about the history, only that they were manufactured in MI, and that the man that started the company used to work for Airstream. It's a shame that Fleetwood has, in my opinion, "prostituted" the Avion name. I wish I could afford to be a serious collector, as I would own a bunch of them. The 1959 does look like the 60s models. This one is 27 ft. with a single axle and beautiful blonde wood interior, and should be ready for rental midsummer this year. Outfitted with period accessories as well as modern conveniences. My information:Perry Leeds. 7539 Cedarbrook Drive, Charlotte, NC 28215 Phone: 704-573-0554 campground # 828-757-0933. Email:ZaneWare@aol.com.       We would love to have you visit this year, as we are relatively close to Linville Falls, NC. A beautiful spot in this world. Of course there are many other attractions nearby as well. We are on the Johns River and enjoy some trout fishing and also have an 8 acre lake that is fed continually from the river. The lake was dredged and the banks were groomed this fall and we hope to restock with fish this spring. The campground has a small lodge with kitchen, and a large "gathering" room with a fireplace where people can enjoy books, playing cards, old photos of trailers and memorabilia. We also will have old black and white movies(classics) available for your VCR pleasures. Of course there are bath house facilities and a pool. Well, I've rattled on..... Thanks for the chat, and let me know when you want to come down. Perry Leeds.

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February 5, 2000— I was glad to find the Travelcade web site! Great Job! Last year I purchased a 1966 Avion 25' Model H-25 Serial # 66-25127. It is in very good condition, and I was looking for the old Avion Travelcade Club that was listed in the original owners manual I have with this unit. I accidentally ran across your web-site and here I am. Robert Mynsberge, 11455 Kathmere Dr., Osceola, IN. 46561-9530 1-219-679-9403 E-Mail=slvreglbob@aol.com
February 6, 2000— If you know of anyone how has a smaller Avion that may be interested in a trade I would like to get a smaller one. I had a accident in DEC. and totaled my truck, now I have a GMC Sonoma with 4.3 V-6 so I am going to look for a smaller Avion. Any help would be appreciated. THANKS & Have a GREAT Day! Bob Mynsbergeslvreglbob@aol.comTHANK YOU & KEEP UP THE GREAT SITE!


April 15, 2000— l972 LaGrande Avion — We have just purchased a l972 Avion LaGrande. Serial Number GB-28188 T-28, dated 2/72. There is a lot of work that we were not aware of at first. This trailer is not at all self contained. The water heater is electric only, the same with the refrigerator, and there is an air conditioner cut in the roof that is not hooked up. We also cannot find a furnace. The interior and exterior is in fantastic shape so we are trying to decide if we should keep it and make the changes ourselves, etc. Any communication would be appreciated.Brian Dias—Bad35@popd.ix.netcom.com


April 16, 2000— My wife and I are new to the "Trailer Travel World" we normally use an old pop-up for our summer vacations. We were just fortunate enough to purchase an old 1962 , 24ft Avion which we will be restoring this summer, (and probably more). We are very happy to have aquired this trailer.. We have several questions that maybe someone out there could possibly answer. First do you know of anyone who would have the wiring diagram for this trailer, also were there different floor plans for this style, we have the one with the bunk beds toward the back. Also where could we obtain replacement windows for the trailer, the back window frame in the bath is in bad shape, and last was there a gray water holding tank for this model.. Sorry for all the questions, however you folks seem to be the only ones to turn to.. and thanks for your help..Jim Huff—bjhuff@frontiernet.net


June 11, 2000— Hello, My name is Jody Lopez and I am a new owner of a 1968 C-10? camper. The serial # is s11033 and the model number is 7011da63. Are you collecting the serial numbers? Did I see that somewhere? Anyway I am looking for something to clean the outside of my camper. I have tried many different mag polishes, jewelers rouge, muratic acid, lime=Away and pneumatic buffers and I'm getting nowhere. I was told by a truck driver that I might try to get an acid bath done at a truck wash, however I worry about the windows. I would like to get it sparkling again (my summer project) but I've run out of idea. Does anyone have any suggestions? I have the original owners manual (my camper had been stored for 12 years) as well any many of the original manuals to the equipment inside. If anyone needs these - please write to me. We installed a a/c unit in the roof this weekend (at home). If anyone has any questions about that maybe I can help. Thank you for your time. Sincerely,Jody


June 14, 2000— Hi, Though we won't be joining your club, it sounds really neat, liked reading about the Avion travel trailers....especially because we just bought one from a couple in Lucas IA, for $2500. It is a 1966 Avion, I think it is 24 feet long. They put in new air conditioning two years ago, and added a used awning. The floor has some spongy spots, but inside is very nice. It has been repainted white inside though, so guess it was rougher at one time. These people had it 11 years, and did not do the painting or the upholstery on front davenport, which I am sure was redone because of the color. This one has bathroom in back and two smaller than twin beds next, then kitchen/sitting room. I think it is really neat, even if I don't like camping much, it sure beats the 1960 DeCamp 12 footer with NO running water that we used before. : ) This looks very cute, even if it is tarnished. No, my husband isn't the type to polish it up. One question, if you have the time to answer: Where do I find the numbers that ought to be on the outside? It seems it had two different numbers on it. Older one started with 34 and the newer ones that are gone but can see a darker image of (metal shinier) is 6570. Can you tell me what these numbers are? I would like to put some back on there if I knew which ones belong there. We are new to this but I would like to keep it looking nice. Since my husband insists I cook, I am very happy with the four burner stove. The refrigerator is small, but works. Lots and lots of wooden cabinets! I think this is the best feature of all. My husband wanted an Airstream, but fell in love with this one, and I liked it, and the price. The tires are ancient, with rings like the old tires had. My husband is familiar with them and says he knows how to take them off without them springing apart and killing him. I hope he knows what he is doing. He is 58. I am 41. I never did tires, what do I know? I find your site fascinating, though I didn't see all of it. But we got our Avion home now, so just wanted to let you know another 1966er is alive and well, what ever number it is. Feel free to email anytime! Karen - karen@lucasco.net, BSW (Baptist Spiritled Woman) in Chariton, Iowa Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it. ------- Hebrews 13:2

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June 25, 2000— The number for Zip Dee is 1 800 338 2378. I used it to order a part for my awning about a month ago. I don't know what their web site is yet and really haven't tried to find it. I was really suprised to learn that they are still in business as I haven't seen any advertising for them in quite a while. I don't know if I'm posted on your Avion web site or not. If not, feel free to post me.Hal and Alice Steis 10609, 190 Taft Rd., St. Marys Pa. 15857


June 26, 2000— Hi, I used my husbands email address to write to you and he didn't remember to tell me you responded. My dad had better luck with his insurance company than you did. They wanted to give him bluebook value for his damages even though the repairs would cost more than that. I found a few comparable Avion's on the club website that were for sale at a much higher price than they were offering. He called the insurance company with this information and they checked out the "for sale" ads on the Avian website and agreed to pay the cost of all the damages, which was around $5000. Their first offer was for around $2000 I think. My dad had a rubber roof put on his trailer and as I said was able to get the vents from the dealer you told me about. He lives in Wisconsin and has the Avian on a permanent site at White River Campground near Wautoma. He has a motor home that he and my mother traveled all over the country in when she was alive, but after her death, he bought the Avian and parked in permanently. I was happy he was able to repair it because he really like to go to the trailer. Even though he is retired, it seems like he doesn't relax enough when is home. Thanks again for your help and sorry my response took so long.Penny


July 6, 2000— Hello, recently purchased a 1968 Avion camper. The model # is 7C11SDA68. The serial number is 68-11033. It was originally purchased in Palmdale California so I assume it was made in San Jacinto Ca. I also have copies of all the original owners manuals if anyone is interested. Please pass along my email address and I will forward the copies to anyone who would like one. Sincerely,Jody Lopez, Wrightwood , CA


July 7, 2000— To Whom It May Concern, We are offering our park for smaller group get together in central Missouri. You can see our web site atwww.fidnet.com/~blmoonrv. There are historical areas to explore, wineries, and antiques as well as being 35 minutes from 6 flags. We are a park that is geared more toward adults, and we are pet friendly. Perhaps we can be of service for one of your state group gatherings. Thank youKay Barton


July 12, 2000—John Simpsonon Avion Restoration:   It's a '78 34V, and I have pictures of the restoration process. I'll be happy to answer any questions. The condition was pretty much original and unimproved. The curtains dissolved in the washing machine. There was considerable rot in the floor around the doorway and spreading forward from there. The vent caps were brittle, and subsequently blew off in a storm. It had not one dent! I backed into a tree and it's no longer a virgin. The guy had to move it because of zoning violation. I also bought a Lance slide-in. We use the Avion as our guest house, having completely refurbished it. The previous owners lived in it for six years. We reupholstered it, put in pleated shades, new sandwich floor, new stereo and CD changer, and tile and upgraded the running lights to LED lights. It took an entire summer. All it really needs is a new refrigerator to be perfect. The new one in my Lance makes the one in the Avion seem inadequate. The Avion is largely stationary, but we tow it occasionally.The floor was tricky. The hardest part was matching the thickness of the original foam, but I used two sheets that combined to make the correct thickness. repairing the poorly designed door frame cured the problem. It's hard to believe that Avion did not weld up the seams at the bottom corners of the door frame, allowing water to go directly into the floor structure when it rains!John Simpson, 4610 SW 164 Terrace, Southwest Ranches, FL 33331.jegssr@juno.com.
There was no weld bead, just a tack at the corners. I filled the gap with aluminum colored GE silicon seal.

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July 16, 2000—Brake/Wheel Suggestions Needed. —Last year on a trip to Colorado, one hub (twin axle) would get quite hot. We stopped and were told our only that brake was working. The shop we took it to fixed the brake and we were on our way. Today we went to get the trailer and get her ready for a trip to Glacier and Banf, and wouldn't you know it, that wheel was hot again and the brakes don't seem to be working. Does anyone know of quirks with these brakes? Any help would be greatly appreciated. (7/16/00).DanielDaynaS@email.msn.com.
[Ed.: If Dan shares his answers we will post them in the repairs section. DEG].
Suggestion— he only suggestion I could offer is that (assuming that the brakes are electric) that that brake is the only one working due to poor electrical connection, or wiring. The only other possibility that comes to mind is if they can establish that the other brakes are, in fact operating, that this brake could be out of adjustment and constantly rubbing the drum, causing it to get hot. Have them check this by pulling the trailer across a dirt area and applying the trailer brakes. This will show up in the tracks made in the dirt which wheels have working brakes. Those not working will show a clear pattern of tire tread in the dirt and those working will show a scuffed mark. Then go from there. —millerdj@bellsouth.net
July 22, 2000— New brakes, with electric hum to all four, and only right rear curb side working. That one gets very hot, the bearings look fine, lots of grease and seems to be the only one working. Any clues?July 23, 2000— WE HAVE BRAKES...it ended up being the electric connections. This unit had the axles replaced and had daisy chained the brakes. So we only had one working. Thanks for all your help. Hope to see you down the road sometime.Update — September 17, 2000— This is an update to our post on July 16th about the brakes. Dan cleaned and oiled the brakes and then checked the release and return, rewired all four connections independently. The brakes did a great job for us while heading down the Flaming Gorge (8% grade for approx 9 miles). . . and also the other 4700 miles through the mountains. However, when we stopped for lunch outside Sturgis during the Harley rally we forgot to lower the vent/fan cover on the front of the trailer. It is a fan by Hehr...it blew off the trailer somewhere along highway 90. Do you know where we can go to replace one like the original? Any help would be appreciated. —DanielDaynaS@email.msn.com.


July 20, 2000—Bill Rahm— Has anyone tried to have their aluminum propane bottles re-certified? If your bottles are 12 years old you must have them re-certified and have the valves replaced with a newly designed 80% valve. According to the valve manufacturer, new valves with remote level sensors are not available for aluminum tanks and are not likely to be available in the foreseeable future. This means that you will not be able to read the propane level remotely inside the trailer. Not a big deal, but certainly a nice feature. If anyone knows of a way that I can retain the remote level indicators on the panel inside my 1987 Avion, please contact me atworahm@aol.com.


August 9, 2000— From:Albertrr33@aol.com  —   Well as a new part time Avion repair tech ; ) I started this site. Please check it out and let every one possible know. Thanks. Albert http://groups.yahoo.com/group/avioncampingandrestoration/


August 19, 2000— I have 1987 Avion 34X. I bought it earlier this year. Just noticed that the plumbing is plastic using the crimp joints. Remember reading that the crimp joints were used instead of glue but the crimps were subject to fatigue and failed quit often in household plumbing. The crimp method is no longer used I think. We are worried about future leaks. Does anyone know if there is chronic failure of the plumbing joints in Avions where crimps were used instead of glue? (8/23/00).Van Abbott, Fallbrook CA. 760 731-2988. Email=vgabbott@hotmail.com


August 19, 2000— I have a 24 ft 1962 Avion trailer and am looking for the outside cover which goes over the cover for the hot water tank. This cover extends outside of the trailer about two or three inches.. The trailer currently has an electric replacement heater, and I still have the original heater which is propane and wish to re-install it, because where I camp is in the rural section of upper Michigan.. Any suggestions or help will be greatly appreciated.. Thanks (8/21/2000).Jim Huff


August 21, 2000— We are interested in obtaining a door for a l984 30 foot Avion. (8/21/2000). If you can be of assistance please send information E-mail toBLG23@Juno.com


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August 23, 2000— From:Sally Mathews— Does anyone have a good source for replacement curtains or storm windows? My boyfriend has an older Avion (I think 1974). The windows look like they used to have storms but there are none now. Also we need replacement curtains and cushion covers. Any lead you could give would be a great help. We love it and want to take good care of the baby. Thanks! (8/23/00)Sally@mathewscomputer.com


August 23, 2000— Serial # 503 . I am looking to get an owners manual and parts supplier. (8/23/00).Nathan Putbrese,Natepthegreat1@cs.com


August 26, 2000—OldBzrd@aol.com: Hi, I have a 1973 28' Travelcader (manufactured 10/72) which just threw a shoe! Actually, the front left (driver side) wheel just cracked off at the spindle. I have been unable to locate a replacement axle for this unit. Cayo says I have to replace it with a 12" version which means both axles, all backing plates, brakes and drums. I cannot afford that much even though the trailer is in pretty good shape with a new water heater and furnace (both replaced within the last year). I travel lots and am missing my home on the road while I search out a fix. I will be in Lansing, MI next week, and then off by Sept. 7th to Arrow Rock, MO and Winfield, KS on route to Sauguache and Denver, CO then back to Shawnee, KS and St. Louis, MO. Homebase is in southeastern OH. Any suggestions/parts/or ideas would be appreciated. Respond to me at OldBzrd@aol.com Soon, Dan
August 28, 2000— Also, I have the moreride suspension already. I had new pads installed about 2 years ago. Yes, it is nice and I love the trailer. That is why I would like to locate the 10" axle or a place that can repair the original one. I'm working on getting it off the unit, so the name of the axle shop in Elkhart would be goo too. Thanks for helping me out. Soon,Dan


August 28, 2000— From:Albert Bailitz — Albertrr33@aol.com: Well, hi all, It's been 6 weeks as of 9-2-00 since our purchase. After getting new tires, replacing the front 6' of plywood, replacing toilet foot valve, repair and replace the floor tiles through out (except under sink cabinets, closet and side couch), installing new potable water inlet, cleaning and caulking around windows and vents, and general clean up inside. We took her camping the 11, 12 and 13 of Aug! Our first trip was to Elkhart, IN., about an hour and a half drive. Our goal was to find parts. We didn't find any original stuff we wanted but managed to spend 400 bucks anyway. She towed real nice behind a '97 Blazer. She was easy to maneuver at the two campgrounds we visited. This was our test run to determine if we liked her, she passed. We wanted to keep her original, but now we're shooting for "as original as possible." Since we returned I've installed a plastic water tank under the bench seat, as the original aluminum one had the valve busted off, rerouted the plumbing and installed new valves and 12 volt water pump. I installed a new GFI outlets in bath and kitchen along with new florescent lights as the original lights were missing, installed some wire for a future AC. I routed new wires in ceiling and walls for 12 volt lights in dining room, above sink and bed in bathroom, exterior lights and water pump. I removed the old breaker panel and plug outside and routed the wires behind sink to a location under the stove where I installed a new breaker panel/converter/charger. I put a little wall behind the panel and a new cable hatch outside so now there's enough room for 50' cord hidden in that space! plus I put an outlet in where the old plug was. I sanded and painted the front tongue, LP tank holder, anti sway/weight distribution stuff, door hinge and step with aluminum colored paint. I had to fabricate a new burner and bracket for the water heater, what a pain! I still have to make a rack for the battery on the tongue and finish that wiring. I need to sand and paint the rear bumper. I have to mount some sort of a tube to hold my sewer hose as the original one is a tapered fit. O yea I have to change the fitting on my dump valve also. I have a friend to help me with the brakes on trailer as well as the electronics on the truck. I still need a fridge and to install a hundred screws on the belly. We hope to be going to the Covered Bridge Festival in East Central Indiana the 3rd of October, fingers are crossed. If anyone has any tips, advise, comments I'm all ears (or eyes as the case may be). Old parts are also helpful! I feel possessed by this trailer. I just want to get her done! My wife is getting a little P/Oed as most of my free time is going to the camper! Well, sorry for rambling on like this. This work is kind of new to me, but I'm learning and enjoying it!Albert Bailitz: Griffith, IN. (Northwest Indiana)

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August 29, 2000— FromRick Richnow Hercules381@cox.netI have just purchased a 1979 32T. I noticed that most people are looking for wiring diagrams and construction type drawings. I'm currently working with the factory to get a hold of these items. I have talked with Bill Cayo who says he doesn't have them. The factory has so far found drawings back to 1983. The gentleman I'm working with said he is going into microfiche to see if he can find mine. If anyone is interested in getting diagrams for their trailers they can drop me a line. I'll see what I can do to help. (8/29/2000). Rick —Hercules381@cox.net


August 30, 2000 — Leaking Roof— BellSeaya@aol.com— Please tell me what the best way is to fix a roof that leaks. I have tried the snow coat stuff, but there is still a leak and I don't know what else to use.


September 11, 2000 — 5th wheel jacks not jacking—Email:WEMA2@aol.com: I found that my electric jacks on my 1994 Avion 36 foot are starting to give me trouble . Has anyone else had the same trouble. I go to unhook and my front legs won't come down. I have ordered new legs from the factory thinking that is the problem but I'm just guessing. If you have any suggestions please e-mail me atWEMA2@aol.com


September 17, 2000—DanielDaynaS@email.msn.com— This is an update to our post on July 16th about the brakes. Dan cleaned and oiled the brakes and then checked the release and return, rewired all four connections independently. The brakes did a great job for us while heading down the Flaming Gorge (8% grade for approx 9 miles)... and also the other 4700 miles through the mountains. However, when we stopped for lunch outside Sturgis during the Harley rally we forgot to lower the vent/fan cover on the front of the trailer. It is a fan by Hehr...it blew off the trailer somewhere along highway 90. Do you know where we can go to replace one like the original? Any help would be appreciated. —DanielDaynaS@email.msn.com.


September 19, 2000 — Refrigerator not Refrigging?—cmcjackson@hotmail.com: Just purchased a 1978 Avion Model 26-F and can't get the refrigerator cool. I've tried it on propane, 12v and 110v but nothing seems to work. I've heard there is a breaker I should be looking for but as of yet, I haven't found it. The control panel switch for the frig is in the alarm mode and the buzzer sounds. Any suggestions would be "very cool"! Thanks, Steve Jackson, Port Orchard, WA. (360) 895-3345 or emailcmcjackson@hotmail.com. (Email changed 12/09/2000).


September 22, 2000—Rick Richnow — Hercules381@cox.net: — We have just purchased our first Avion 1979 32T. The person we purchased it from told us to use Fast Orange Hand Cleaner which can be purchased at your local auto parts store. He told us that this will work for the aluminum.
We are also getting a couple of bottles of the polish used on the tanker trucks that you see on the highways. That hold milk and so forth, we will let everyone know how this works out for us. We should have this in a week or so, so keep your eyes open for the good news. We are doing a refurbishing on our trailer, so far I have found over a hundred places to purchase parts for Avions. And have found where to buy heaters, frig's, AC units, and most everything else that one might need. The places I have found have both used and new parts, some are salvage yards and others are new parts only. I have also managed to get electrical drawings for our trailer from fleetwood. If you are in need of something for your trailer feel free to contact us. We will be more than willing to share the information we have with all Avion owners. We are proud to be a new part of this organization, and are looking forward to our first rendevous next year. Being probably two of the younger people in this club (40's), we hope to be excepted warmly from all. Kathy and I are looking forward to meeting each and everyone of you. Thank you,Rick & Kathy — Hercules381@cox.net:


September 22, 2000—T. J. Day— I have a 1967 H-24 Avion with a leak in the fiberglass holding tank. Do you have any suggestions as to the easiest way to access the tank? My best guess as to the location of the leak is the inboard side, at or on the bottom. Also I need the complete guts for the door latch or at least the latch slide. Any information would be greatly appreciated.T. J. Day, Ft Lauderdale, Florida — sefmarine@aol.com:


September 30, 2000—Rick Richnow— My rear bumper has a dent in it so I'm going to replace it. I'll go to the junk yard and find one in good shape. The cabinets are in great shape, but Kathy wants to redo them in white wash to make the trailer more spacious. And yes I have alot of experence in refinishing wood. — The bed I'm going to turn length ways with the trailer, I'm going to move the hot water heater and valve's. I'm also going to install a 17 gallone electric hot water heater in line with the old one. I'll just set it up with valves to bypass the original, but keep the old one for when we need to run on propane. We have planned to buy a 5000 watt generator to mount on the truck. It should run anything I wish to hook up to it. The only cabinets I will move will be the one between the two beds and the rear box for storage I will modify so as to fit the spare tire under the bed, but still keep some rear storage. I will build under the bed drawers and storage, so we just lift up the bed to access it. The shower I still have to decide on, I'm thinking of putting in a custom built shower made of fiberglass where the bathroom is now and move the sink and toilet to the other side of the trailer. Still thinking about the best way to do it though. Will know more when I get the bottom panels off the trailer. — My truck just needs to have airbags put in the rear shocks to handle the extra weight, I have gas magnum shocks in it now. — Mr. Sanders failed to tell me that there are plumbing problems with the trailer back by the hot water heater. I will know more tonight when I get done taking it apart today. I'm hoping that the tanks are ok. I'm looking for a rear door for that trailer you wrote me about, and I think I might have found a refrigerator door for the one person on the site. Will let you know more next week on it.


September 30, 2000—Rick Richnow— Today we removed most of the inside such as carpet, drapes, blinds, cabinet doors, couch, table, chair, beds and cabinets that the beds sat on. We have decided to go ahead and remove the rest of the cabinets, walls, shower, sink and appliances. So when we go to paint it that it can be sprayed with no over spray. Per your suggestion we are looking for the best vinyl spray paint we can find. — We have planned as you know to change the bathroom into a split bath, per your e-mail today I will have to investigate further. I have planned to take the bottom panels off tomorrow and see what I'm getting my self into. Though you must keep in mind that I grew up building homes from scratch, and doing remodeling on houses. I don't see the trailer being all that much difference. I know there are some certain issues that have to be addressed, but I think the finished product will be well worth the effort. — Today upon removal of the couch we found that there is a leak, you had mentioned to me about checking the top seals on the trailer. I was hoping you might be more specific in location, size and length and ? I also was wondering if there is anything I should be doing about the airconditioner/ heater on top of the trailer. Such as service or ? I'm working on trying to figure out how to relocate the hot water heater. Kathy doesn't want her side of the bed to be blocked by a cabinet. Women, you got to love them. Oh well if it keeps her happy it will be worth it. — I found a new refrigerator in AZ at a salvage yard that is 3 way and has a new core with warranty. So if my refrigerator is bad I can replace it. They only want $675.00 for it. Which isn't bad considering the cost of a new one is about $1400.00. — Kathy is going to go out tomorrow and pick out her new carpet, white wash for the cabinets, drapes, blinds, paint color and God only knows what else! — We have planned to install a 17 gallon electric hot water heater, but still keep the old one for camping. We also have planned to install a microwave and if Kathy gets it her way a table and bench seats. Not so sure about that one yet will have to design the floor plan first ( see if it will fit ).We figure it will take us about 4 to 5 months to finish the trailer at most. I'm thinking probably a month or two earlier if I have it my way. Just keep working away at it. — Well got to go for now. Hope you are doing well and are relaxing for me.Rick & Kathy


October 1, 2000—Rick Richnow— Today Kathy and I spent the day figuring out what the best things to change are. We decieded to go ahead and move the couch from the end. And build a new one on the left side. Also to put a table and chairs on the right side. — We also decieded the best way to resolve the shower problem is to install a sky light in the shower that will give me more head room. Unless I can come up with a better idea. We will also be installing a new glass shower door. Kathy wants to move the toilet accross the hall, working out the details to see if it is realistic to do. — The bedroom seemed to be haunting me a bit so Kathy decieded to give me a break and is going to let me put the bed against the left wall. This will cover the hot water heater and various other things, but still give me access to them. In the process we will eliminate the last cabinet before the bathroom due to its length and rebuild it to match the rest. This will also allow me to slide the rear tire under the bed from the rear access door. Will still have plenty of room for the jack and multiple other things. — Kathy decided she can't stand the inside color of the frig so if someone is interested it is up for sale. Also the rods that go around both ends with brackets are for sale. The twin beds, comforteres, pillow cases and orange pads (which are origanal) are also up for sale if someone is interested. — We are removing all appliances and cabinets to get prepared for painting the interior with vinyl paint ( still looking for best paint to use ). We decieded either on white washing the cabinetry or recover them in flormica and replace the existing doors and drawer fronts. Would be a shame to do so, especially since it is maple wood. Problem I'm finding is, that they used very thin venier on the cabinets. Haven't given up hope yet, just getting ready to sand them down or strip them. Hope to use the origanal wood. All hardware will be replaced to a more up to date look (these will be for sale as well). Kathy also wants to put stain glass in the cabinet doors on top, told her to check into it. Will be installing blinds through out with side curtains and valance's for decoration. — Picked out our colors to use, mostly light blue, white wash (with a huge of blue), peach and teal. Should give the interior a lot more open feeling. The walls will probably be painted a very light blue to fit in.Rick & Kathy


October 8, 2000—Hal Steis - HalandAlice@penn.com— Dr. G Just got back from Cayo Repair in Michigan. Had the Avion out there for a Perma-Cote job. He did a wonderful job on it. It looks like it's brand new. It certainly is worth the trip and expense. Just thot I'd let you know in case anyone asks you about what to do with an Avion that has a problem with oxidization of the skin.Hal Steis10609.


October 23, 2000— Missing Avion Models — Hi--I am Les Willey, 15652, from the Washington Unit. My wife and I have a 1992 34.5 G Avion. I know of two others in the Washington Unit and one not in the club. Avion does not list this model in its 1992 listings, but they did build it. Mine was manufactured in April of 1992 and definitely has 92 colors. Thank you.Les WilleyAvion Washington Unit 15652, lrwilley@aol.com— [I've Added the 34.5-G model under 1992 Listings.DEG]


October 30, 2000—Kent Reeve— Hi. I am an Avion newbie and hope this post is appropriate for this site. I am about to purchase an Avion a 1979 34ft. Avion, rear bath, triple axle. Got a few questions (who doesn't!!!). Is the framing, which is under the aluminum skin, also aluminum? Are there frame sagging problems with rear bath 34 ft. Avion, due to tank weight in rear? I have owned an Airstream previously and would especially enjoy hearing from others who have both Avion and Airstream experience and would share pros/cons of each. Would also appreciate any other Avion advice. Thank you very much for your help and please direct your replies toKent.Reeve@sas.com.


November 10, 2000—Jim Carey" - jimcarey@sdasaints.com— I just came into possession of an Avion R-20, serial number 535. Any idea of the year of manufacture? Anything you can tell me would be a help. Oh…. It’s decorated with stickers from Kodak Stock Car Racing, car #4, and has Ernie Irvin and Kodak painted on the body. I found it in the hills of Tennessee and am hauling it home to Georgia to restore it. I’ve been a vintage airstreamer for a few years, now, but this is my first Avion in the collection. Thanks for anything you can tell me. Jim -jimcarey@engineer.com WBCCI#1736 — Plantation Overseer, Herndon Plantation, 3505 S Herndon Rd., Herndon, GA 30442. h: (912) 982-4808. c: (305) 509-0246


November 12, 2000—Joy Moser - Joy.Moser@att.net— Hello, I recently purchased a 1969 ( I think) truck camper and I have no manual. It is in very good condition with original fridge, range, toilet...If anyone could help me find a manual I would really appreciate it.Joyfrom NC


November 18, 2000—Herb Newsam— Thank you very much for your response. Yes you can add me to the list of Avion owners. I am quite pleased with mine. The interior of it is in excellent original condition except for a different carpet. The exterior shows some age and needs a good cleaning. Someone at sometime put a small crease on the left side putting it in good condition. I am amazed at the soundness of construction of these units. It has never leaked. — The Fan vent in it measures 18 1/2 inch square. It is not the standard 14 inch. I have tried at several local places with no avail. Most tell me that I must be mistaken for that size was not made. LOL . I learned how to read a tape measure quite some time ago LOL . I Fabricated a cover out of sheet metal and rebuilt to original screw lifts for it. It functions well but it is no longer a skylight. The back one is in perfect shape and will take a pic of it for posting. — What would you recommend using for brightening up the Aluminum siding? — My rig is a T-28 Tandem axle. — Yes you can post the website also.Pinnacles CampgroundWe are primarily a weekend destination. But get many staying extended stays. We also have host positions that stay for months helping out. We advertise in the WorkKamper News for positions of such but will take resumes from anyone wishing to apply for hosting positions. — Again Thanks for the quick response. I was very pleasantly surprised. —Herb Newsam— Website:http://www.pinncamp.com/


November 24, 2000— Holding Tank Leak —Tom StockI have a 1983 35 ft. Avion. My father recently trailered it from Florida to Minnesota. Some of the metal under the fresh water tank had come loose. He accidently drilled a few holes trying to put the metal back in place and drilled up through the fresh water tank. Does anyone have ideas on what the best way to fix this will be? I'd love to hear them atTLS12089@aol.com


December 6, 2000— We have a 1969 avion truck camper model C-11, serial f1-101. I also have what I think is all the original paperwork----owners manual for camper and the original appliances. I'd be more than happy to supply copies to anyone interested in exchange for information/photos about these campers. Mine is in need of a good deal of work after two failed renovation attempts by previous owners. Dennis & Louise Schaefer - l621@netzero.net.


December 6, 2000—Mark Roberts. Just bought a 1973 Avion 25' (don't know # yet) twin beds. Great shape seems to have all manuals. Trailer manual, plus all mechanicals. Love to trade and find out more. Mark.MRoberts@laplaza.org.


December 21, 2000—Lillian. I would like to know how you put in new carpet in a tip out 5th wheel in living room. Can't figure how it goes under where it slides in contactlillian@ainop.com - Lillian. — See replies underFlooringin the Repairs Section above.


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January 20, 2001— I have an 83 Avion 30P. the vents are cracked and warped from the weather. This makes them hard to open. I've looked around and am having trouble finding the correct replacements. Does anyone know where I can find these caps at.Marv Finkle. My email address ismmfinkle@cin.net.


February 5, 2001— I need to know if I can find a schematic for a duo therm air conditioner on a 27 foot avion 1973, if you can help please reply todennydebi@aol.com. (answer will be posted under HEATING/AIR CONDITIONING above).


March 12, 2001— FromTracy Ross - quadeross@mcleodusa.net. — Thanks so much for all the helpful information. Yes, this is the Avion posted on Dan's site. That is a great idea to get his photos. You will be happy to hear that the original frig still works! Also, Dan was fairly confident that the stove would also work. We need to test the gas lines and than will fire it up. It has the original furnace. Dan didn't get a chance to get it working so we will have to check that out over time. It has 12 Volt power we just need to get a battery or run it off the pickup truck. Any advice on which is the best approach? Also, has a grey water tank (15-20 gallons)underneath the bed in the rear of trailer you can access it from the outside trunk or from a door underneath the bed. Also, has a water pump (on demand) that is easily turned on by a switch located in one of the cabinets. We will be checking it for leaks. Also, it has a toilet (if you check Dan's site)and if am thinking that there is a 9 gallon black water tank directly underneath the toilet. Is that possible? The 1960's brochure shows that tank as a standard feature with the marine toilet. Guess we will find out sooner or later. There are some cracks in the copper tubing for water so I think we may convert it to the gray poly tubing (Dan's suggestion)and at that time replumb the system. It has no hookup for water at a campsite so Dan suggested we add on while replacing tubing and install check valves. We have alot to learn so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. We will definately start a website. We hope to decorate it in a 50's to early 60's motif and do our best to keep it mostly vintage. Have you seen the 1962 Airstream Bambi that was redone in one of the latest issues of Metropolitan Home. They stripped off the zolotone and polished the aluminum. It is a great looking trailer. Do you know what kind of paint they used on the Avions? Would there be any major drawbacks to possibly stripping off the paint and polishing the aluminum on the interior? We plan on keeping all the original countertops, birch cabinets, lights etc.. I'm pleased to hear you think the exterior is in good shape too! We have named her "June Bug" and already are quite taken with her. Fortunately, we have a shed to store her in so hopefully we can keep her in good shape for many years. Tomarrow I am taking her into my mechanic to have the axel,brakes and bearings checked out after that long drive from IN. She handled fine. Do you think we should put a sway bar on for added stability in wind. The trailer chassis has the ball for attaching a bar. Also it has the load distributing mounts on the chassis but Dan thought we might be fine with just the sway bar. Neither one of us has hardly any experience with travel trailers but we are dedicated to learning everything we can about older Avions and to keeping "June Bug" on the road for many years to come... I think the 1958 tow vehicle won't happen for some time...We joked around about it but neither one of us has the mechanical aptitude to take on an old car project at this time. I ordered several RV repair and maintenance manuals from the Trailer Life website so we are hoping to educate ourselves while we attempt repairs on "June Bug". Thanks for replying so quickly,Tracy Ross


March 13, 2001—Tracy Ross— We just purchased a 1958 Avion--model R20..Serial #--708. She is in very good condition. All original appliances and toilet. Towed it from Peru, IN to Iowa City, IA yesterday with no problems. There was no owners manual with it so an information you can share would be very much appreciated. If you want us to send pictures we can. Also, do you know where we can get no window seals? Thanks!quadeross@mcleodusa.net.


March 14, 2001—Newt Morehead: First I would like to say, I really enjoy your website. At the present I do not own an Avion. I did own an 86 25'. So what I say about the 86 25' is based on personal knowledge. I am in possesion of Avion brochures for 1986, 87, 88, 89. As a matter of information I wrote on the 87 brochure for the 34V $34,284 list, $29,900 show w/awnings. Anyway the 86 25-H and 87 25-H are side bath, not rear bath as shown on your website. As I said I owned a 86 so I know this is correct, not just what is shown in the brochure. The 32-S you show in 86, it did not show in the brochure until 87. The 28-A does not show in the 89 brochure. I realize brochures are not always correct. I just thoutht I would pass this on for whatever it is worth. Newt Moreheadnewtm@quick.com.


March 24, 2001—Sue Dolan: We just purchased a 34' XB Avion Trailer and are missing one Zeus Fastener at the cover for propane on front of trailer. If you know of place we can get replacement, email atsabd27@hotmail.com. (3/24/01 also under wanted). Thank you, Sue Dolan.


March 24, 2001—James B Peticolas— I own a 1993 34.5 5th wheel Avion the cover for the light fixture in the bathroom is cracked and I have nor been able to find a replacement for it. Anyone know where I might buy a replacement. (3/25/01 also under electrical).turbo13@ix.netcom.com.


March 25, 2001—Dr.G.— New tow vehicle on hold — Big disappointment earlier this month. Received a letter with Special GM Rebates for the Milwaukee Auto Show from GM offering a rebate of $1000 on all Silverado Pickups (except 2500 & 3500 Models). Went to the local Chevrolet Dealer and they would not honor the rebate on a Silverado 1500 HD!. Checked with 3 other dealers all of whom had 1500 HD models in stock and the word from GM was not to honor the rebate offers on 1500 HD models as well!. Any other Avion owners get rebate offers that dealers were instructed not to honor or did that only happen in Wisconsin?

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March 27, 2001—John Perkins— I have just purchased an Avion H-24TB Serial # 2387. It is in great shape and we are ready to go! However, I am interested in adding bunk beds to the back. I really need photos, hardware descriptions, etc. If anyone out there has any suggestions, I would be grateful. Also, I am looking for any owners, maintenance, service, wiring or other manuals or material on this model. Thanks for the web site. (3/27/2001). —Frank Perkins, Brookhaven, Mississippi...601-214-7227. Email:jperkins@tislink.com.


March 27, 2001—Jennifer Tierney— I am glad to hear from you, I was going to mail you, we have been having e-mail troubles here at work. We actually found one this weekend, we did take your advice and were very careful about checking it out. We purchased a '72 La Grande. It is in wonderful shape, the inside is very clean, the cabinets look almost brand new minus a few small scratches on the kick plates. All the appliances work and are clean and in great condition. There were no water spots on the inside of any of the cabinets or on the ceiling. She just had the refrigerator serviced in October and the tech went through all the heating and cooling. And didn't see any water damage on the floor around the bath or toilet. It didn't smell like mildew or mold.The outside is a little dirty and oxidized, but I looked on your site today and got a couple of idea's on how to shine it up a bit. There are no dents anywhere on the body (even in the front where the rocks from the trucks tires can cause a little damage. The lights aren't cracked and are in good condition. We were going to reseal the roof and replace the tires. The only problem is that it is located in the mountains of Colorado (a short drive from us in Metro Denver, but a little scary to tow for the first time.) Seeing that you have been towing an Avion for a number of years is there any advice that might help get it down the mountain easier? My boyfriend is picking it up on Monday the 2nd. He has a Dodge 360 3/4 ton pu with maximum towing of 7800lbs.I was actually going to post a question on your site on a couple of things. There is no awning and appears to be no evidence of one. Is there a way of putting one on or did all of the La Grande come with awnings and this individual took it off? We were wanting to put one on but are not sure if we can get the hardware (i.e. the side rails that, most we have seen are form fitting the unique shape of the trailer). The decorative molding/strip around the center of the outside is faded, worn and cracked and missing in some places (it used to be red at one time now is a nice shade of pink and yellow. We wanted to replace this and were going to contact Fleetwood on where we can get replacement moldings. If you can shed light on this we would appreciate it. As soon as we get it cleaned up a bit we will send you pictures. We plan on redecorating the inside to our taste replacing the carpet, linoleum, and reupholstering the sofa. We both are very excited to start our camping season, and get our Avion ready to go. I am really thrilled with our purchase. Thank you again for all of your help, it sure made shopping for one a lot easier. —Jennifer Tierney. Email:JTierney@SteelFloorsLLC.com.


April 11, 2001—SHunst37@aol.com— We have a 1970 Airstream International with plastic door latches that need replaced. Can you help us locate the replacement parts. If possible, Iwould like to replace with metal unless they do not come in metal. Email:SHunst37@aol.com.


April 11, 2001— Hi! My name isChris Bordagarayand I live in Port Orchard, WA. My wife and I bought a new 2000 Avion 37 5 R fifth wheel nine weeks ago from Poulsbo RV, a Puget Sound Fleetwood dealer, Due to family medical emergencies, the new fifth wheel has sat in our driveway for the past nine weeks while we have been in California. The dealer filled the water tank when we picked it up in February. We have not used the unit yet. I have a problem and neither the local dealer (has six outlets) nor Fleetwood has responded to my query. I thought maybe one of your members could. I want to sanitize the fresh water tank that the dealer filled nine weeks ago but we have not used. The owners manual says to fill the "hose" with a chlorine bleach and water solution and put this into the tank. I assumed from memories of my trailering days in the 70's that there was a gravity fill unit somether on the unit so I could dump the 6-1/2 gallons of the chlorine bleach/water solution into the fresh water tank. (I am putting the trailer in dry storage until June). How do I do this. The dealer said there is a gravity fill but I cannot find one (I suspect there isn't one). If there is none, how do I get the solution of bleach/fresh water into the holding tank to sanitize it? I am really frustrated and would appreciate it if someone could give me a solution. My e-mail address iscbordagaray@wwdb.org.A secondary e-mail address ischris.bordagaray@ci.seattle.wa.us, where I work. Thanks so much for your help!


April 17, 2001— FromSteve Jackson— I have a 1978 Model F with a fridge/freezer that just wasn't getting cold. I had emailed your site looking for help and was finally preparing to shell out the money to buy a new fridge when I met a terrific repairman at the RV Outlet Mall in Port Orchard WA. Instead of selling me a new unit (which as you know is no minor expense) he suggested taking out my old unit, turning it upside down and driving it around in the back of my pickup for three days to "burp" the unit. I should mention that my trailer had sat motionless for several years prior to my recent purchase. Well, I didn't take the unit out but I did take my trailer for a drive and towed it for several miles, braking and accelerating (I was also testing out my new trailer brake) and found that the movement of the trailer caused a burping process to take place in the fridge (an ammonia unit). Now my fridge gets VERY cold and the freezer actually freezes quite well. The inside of those ammonia unit refridgerators crystalize if left still for too long (or so I'm told) and the movement helps to break up those crystals and get everything working properly again. It certainly worked for me and saved me a couple thousand dollars in the process. Just thought I would send the info along in case someone else faced the same dilemma.Steve Jackson, Port Orchard WA. (360) 895-3345

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April 30, 2001—PapaSmithR42@aol.com. — We are the proud owners of a 1979 30ft. Avion. Does that sound nuts ? I thought so, but we are the new owners of the above trailer and we really like it. The quility really shows thru even at 22 yrs. of age. We are the second owners, we bought her from some dear friends two years ago. They moved over to a motorhome, which is for sale after only two years. They are looking for another trailer and have asked if we were ready to sell ours. Now for the reason for writing, we have a leak in the front and the rear. Not big, and the rain has to be really coming down at a certain angle but it's there. We asked at Caloma, Mich. and were told that a lot of Avions have the same problem. I feel and so did Cayo that the water gets in between the windows as I have pulled out all of the caulking and re-packed same. Does anyone have a cure or answer for the problem? Please e-mail me atPapaSmithR42@aol.com. Thanks


May 2, 2001—TomJ_GA@worldnet.att.net— I just discovered today that my permanent email address has not been working for some time (tjohnson@cyberdude.com), therefore any mail sent to me at that address for the past few weeks has not arrived. I had no notice from the provider that they were shutting down, or suspending service, or whatever has happened. Please send all email to me at:TomJ_GA@worldnet.att.net. For those of you that I have sent email, and you did a reply back to that email, I received it, because it was being sent from the above provider.That's for your understanding of this intrusion.Tom JohnsonGeorgia Avion Unit #12737.


May 2, 2001—Cath Williams-CathNigel@hotmail.com— Hi, We've just purchased an Avion model I-30, serial 300063. We live inPerth Western Australia& would like to find out how it came over here, who the original owners were & get an owners manual for it. The only information we have is that it sat on the property we bought it from for over 20 years. It's in good condition, but we have no idea on original specifications, decor, fixtures etc. Could you assist with information required or guide us in the right direction. Many thanks, Nigel & Cath Williams— [Check out Avion Camp at Restoration at Yahoo Clubs— for a copy of a 1963 owners manual send email to Cliff Cole - my3boys@execpc.com— DEG]


May 2, 2001—paticake@mwt.net— We are in need of replacement 18 inch ceiling vent(s) for a 1986 33 ft. Avion Travel Trailer. Can you help us or direct us to someone who can?


May 11, 2001— To: "Avion Repair" from:clark.lyle@hotmail.com— Having trouble with my furnace the fan keeps going all the time even when the thermostat is turned off.The only way to shut off the fan is to pull the fuse near where you ignite the furnace.I sure would appreciate some advice on what to check .Thank you please get back to me.LYLE. serial number.l76-01150. 120 vac 60hz--1.2amps


May 12, 2001— To: Missing Avions from:zorro@localonline.net— Need to find manual for a 64 - 24 ft Avion.zorro@localonline.net.


May 13, 2001—Joe Hissong - jhissong@columbus.rr.com— Hello, Mary, our three kids and I have just purchased a 1977 28' (at least the dealer says it is but it is laid out like the 25' Voyageur pictured on your web site) a Grande and have not taken delivery on it yet. We will be in need of a rock guard. The lens for the step light is also missing as well as the sewer house cover on the bumper. Does any one know where we might be able to obtain these items. We want to keep it as original as possible as I am just a little crazy that way. It is in pretty good shape and we are looking forward to using it. Thanks,Joe Hissong, Columbus, Ohio (614) 492-0118.


May 14, 2001— I have a 1983 Avion and I am trying to locate a door. Does anyone know where I could find one?Gene Sutton. Baytown, TX. Email:GSutton22@aol.com


May 17, 2001— Brake Drum Needed - Desperately need a 1973 25 foot trailer wheel drum. Please help me. We are broke down and paralyzed Send reply togrwmew@aol.com


May 22, 2001— From: "Thomas Reilly - T6C24@msn.com— I need two tail light covers for the 1960 H-24 Avion.

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May 23, 2001—Betty Ruckman - GBRuckman@eritter.net— Is there a problem with the Avion 99 Newport coming undone from the 5th wheel hitch because the 5th wheel pin buckled under? Also is there a place to contact to see if a used trailer has been damaged. Thank youthe Ruckman's


May 27, 2001—JIGBRAVO@aol.com— I have a 1989 34 ft Avion and need a plastic cover for the electric jack. Mine was destroyed in a hail storm Can you help me?


May 29, 2001—Bill Rahm - WORahm@AOL.COM— For those of you who are not interested in the remote readout feature of your propane system, save yourself some time and don't read this. — Soon, most older propane cylinders must be re-certified and have new 80% valves installed. Avions manufactured in the middle to late 80's, have a gauge and remote readout feature built into the valves. As far as I can determine, new 80% valves are not available with the remote readout feature. Airstream currently features, 40lb, aluminum cylinders with the remote readout feature. The Airstream part number is 601712. Airstream indicated that the diameter of the cylinder is slightly larger then the 40lb aluminum cylinders that came as original equipment on Avions. So, they may not fit under the Avion aluminum cylinder cover. Airstream has not modified their covers so the cylinders should not be too much larger. According to Airstream, the cylinders have larger diameter to accommodate two floats. Now for the bad news, The Airstream cylinders are priced at $405.35 each. Worthington Manufacturing currently manufactures these cylinders for Airstream. Worthington will not sell them on the retail market. They suggested that I contact either Airstream, Suburban Propane or Ferrell Gas. I am still waiting for Suburban propane to return my call. So, I guess at this point the only alternatives to buying new cylinders with the gauges and remote readout capability from Airstream, is to replace the valves in the original Avion cylinders and forfeit the remote readout feature. If anyone knows a different way to go or has any suggestions how those of us that would like to retain the remote readout feature can do so, please post your comments on this web site or contact Bill Rahm worahm@aol.com or call me at 352-750-4541. Bill Rahm, 5246 Greens Drive Lady Lake Fl. 32159.

June 4, 2001—Bill Rahm - WORahm@AOL.COM— I have found a much less expensive outlet for 40# aluminum propane tanks, with the remote level sensor. Suburban Propane can order these cylinders from the manufacturer. Suburban, in Wildwood, Florida, gave me a price of $184.45 each. Still a bit expensive but if your objective is to retain the remote read out capability, it is the only way I can find to do it. Today, Suburban Propane verified that the new cylinders are 32.06" high (from the base to the top of the valve ring) and have a diameter of 12.125". These measurements are very close to the dimensions of the "factory" cylinders that were delivered on my 1987 Avion when new. The least expensive way to go is to have your original cylinders re-certified and replace the valves with new 80% valves that do not have the remote level sensors. I guess it all depends on how important remote readout is to you.Bill Rahm - WORahm@AOL.COM


May 30, 2001—icarlson@mxfun.com— We have a 63 Avion and the water line hooked up to the back of the toilet is leaking when the water is turned on. Any ideas on how to remove the toilet to check the hookups?


June 5, 2001— FromHolman, Deb - deb.holman@pfizer.com— Hi, We have a 1989 35' Avion pull trailer. This trailer has the fiberglass storage doors with the push in locks that require the special little round key to get them open. We would like to replace these locks with maybe a "T" handle and a regular key. Do you have any suggestions for us. Looking forward to hearing from you soon. Thanks,Deb Holman.


June 8, 2001— Nancy Curry— We are looking for a door to fit a 1982 34 1/2 foot avion pull-behind. anyone with information can email us at sunnie_74@hotmail.com. (6/8/2001). Thank you and happy camping


June 8, 2001—JRWJDW@aol.com - Jefre and Jennifer. — RE: Avion Brake Drum Needed. — Thanks to your input, I was able to locate a new 10" Kelsey Hayes drum in Atlanta, GA. for $35 and my Avion is back on its wheels. If anyone wants the information please have them e-mail me atJRWJDW@aol.com. . I have two other questions for my 1972 T-25 Avion, 1) My 12 volt light system only works some of the time when I disconnect the 115 volt power. Is there any way I can order the electrical wiring manual? 2) My Magic Chef oven gas regulator valve is shot. They are no longer manufactured. Do you know how I can locate a used one?
Thank you kindly,JRWJDW@aol.com . Jefre and Jennifer


June 8, 2001— Ooops. I missed a real interesting letter fromMarch 12th. Always put Avion in the Subject line of all Emails. Otherwise it might be sent somewhere else. Click onMarch 12

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July 4, 2001— Anyone know where I can find a wiring diagram for a 1968 Avion camper? E-mailJim McFarland Mcmail@Juno.com.


July 8, 2001— My slider locks for the living/dining slider are corroded and difficult to use. Where can I get replacements and how much. 1995 37' 5th wheel. Any help would be appreciated. I get embarrassed using hammer and chisel to move them. John Carmody - jlcarm@velocity.net. [Remeber to send us your suggests and fixes so they can be posted in the Repair Section -DrG]


July 29, 2001—DrG— Returned home after two and a half weeks away. This time I was doing some genealogy research in Kosciusko, Franklin and Wayne Counties Indiana and then with my parents and another couple to Florida to check RV sites for this winter. They had stayed at Avion Palms four years ago for the winter. Really has changed since then, with very few Avions in residence. On returning home, I discovered that all Emails from July 12 to the 28th missing and it appears that someone had accessed by Email account. My laptop that was not working correctly was at a company in Milwaukee and it appears that is how the security breach happened. I am working through the local police department. If you sent Email during that time please resend it. The chances of making any recovery is not likely. -DrG.

July 29, 2001—Ilene Hemingway-esimh@earthlink.net— We have a 1995 Avion 5th wheel that has a broken door lock on the exterior door and a broken magnetic fastener for the screen door. The make on it is Trimark, but I can't locate one to replace it. Have any suggestions? -I. Hemingway.

July 29, 2001—George Harvick-JGHarv@colint.com-1971 Avion V 25 Voyager— I have one in very good condition, I also have original owners papers including owners manual. Also two sales brochures. Listing sizes and options. Any interest? -George Harvick.

July 29, 2001—Bill Rahm— My 1987, Model P, Avion has a 1-1/2" wide blue stripe around center of the entire trailer. The stripe is 3M High performance film. Does anyone know where this film can be purchased or the 3M part number? Please respond toworahm@aol.com. Thanks. -Bill Rahm #13170

July 30, 2001—Bill Rahm— 1987 Avion and maybe other model Avion trailers have a 1.5" wide, blue stripe around the center of the trailer. This stripe was manufactured by 3M and is identified as 3M Scotchcal High Performance Film. As far as I can determine, the 3M color designation is 0127T. This color and 1.5" wide film is no longer available through 3M. There are various colors available through 3M in 2" wide film. Cutting the film down to 1.5" width could be cumbersome and may end up not looking professional. Maybe there is a way to cut the film but I am not aware of how. I talked to Bill Cayo today, he indicated that in the past he "special ordered" Avion film but has not been able to obtain it for over 3 years.
3M recommended contacting a company named Trinet for special order items. 1.5" wide film can be obtained through Trinet (1 800 608 4695) but not in the original Avion blue color. Trinet is sending a list of all the available colors. It is probable that there will be a color that is close to the Avion blue. The minimum order is 150 feet. I am guessing, but I think the film will cost about $1.80/foot. I will call Trinet for a firm price after I see if there is an acceptable color. I estimate the typical 30 foot Avion will need approximately 68 feet to completely replace the film.
Is there anyone interested in splitting the cost of a minimum order of 150 feet (75 feet each)? I am willing to order the tape, cut it in half and send it to anyone in the US for half of my total cost. If interested, contactBill Rahm #13170atWORahm@aol.com. or 1(352) 750-4541 --Fax 1(352)750-0896 If anyone has a supply of the original 1987 Avion blue film in their position or knows where to obtain the original film, I am willing to pay any reasonable premium for 60 or 70 feet.
I know that Wagons Oh (a defunct Avion Dealer) who was located in Bradenton, Fl had some in stock before he went out of business approximately 8 years ago. If anyone knows who might have bought Westward Ho's (Walter T's) stock, please let me know. I can be contacted atWORahm@aol.comor (352)750-4541 ----- Fax (352)750-0896 — Thanks.Bill Rahm #13170, 5246 Greens Drive, Lady Lake, Florida

August 9, 2001—Bill Rahm— The 1987 Avion has a plastic, audio tape storage unit mounted in the cabinet directly above the radio. This tape storage unit consist of about 12 plastic drawers that spring out and hold one audio tape. The unit is held in place with hook and loop nylon tape. It can be remove by pulling on the unit until the hook and loop tape releases. I am interested in purchasing any number of these plastic drawers. If anyone knows were there is a damaged 1987 Avion that is being sold for parts or if someone has the plastic drawers for sale, I would appreciate it if you would pass that info on toworahm@aol.com— Bill Rahm

August 9, 2001— Mike & Brenda Harris -BKHarris@prodigy.net. — We have a 1973 29' LaGrande. We have the owners manual complete if someone needs a copy. Purchased from an evangelist three years ago that he bought it new and traveled around the country in. I don't know where to locate the model number. I would like to converse with other Avion owners. Our address is Mike & Brenda Harris, P. O. Box 41, Chesnee SC 29323. Email:BKHarris@prodigy.net

August 19, 2001—Bill Rahm—1987 Avion Blue Stripe— . After much research, and with the help of Dr.G, I have found what I believe is an exact color match for the blue stripe that surrounds the 1987 Avion. The film is manufactured by 3M and is available from 3M in many widths but not the 1.5" width that is used on the 1987 Avions.
A company named Trient Technologies can obtain the same 3M film and cut it to a width of 1.5". The problem.....there is a minimum order of six, 150 foot long rolls. The total cost for the six rolls, cut to 1.5" is $350 plus shipping. Not a bad price when you consider the amount of film (900 feet) Less then 40 cents/foot. I paid $1.65/foot in the late 80's. The 3M designation for the tape is Silver Blue #43, 3M Scotchcal High Performance Custom Striping. I estimate it would require about 70 feet to replace all the film on my Model 30P Avion. The 34 foot Avion should require an additional 8 feet.
I am interested in finding a few good soles who would like to replace their Avion blue stripe and would be interested in buying the tape that I have left over. If I receive even a few request, I would be willing to order the tape and forward any amount that is left over for my cost plus shipping. I figure I will have about 800 feet of excess tape that cost approximately 40 cents/foot, plus shipping and handling. Any takers????? —Bill Rahm13170


August 19, 2001—Nelson Goad—Avion Slide Failure— I own a 1991 Avion 5th wheel model 29 5T. My slide is out and the motor does not respond to the slide in/out button. Can anyone offer advice on how to solve this problem. I have no manuals to work with as a result I have no idea what type of slide system is in a 1991 or where to locate the electrical motor that drives the slide in and out. Help and ideas are most welcomed by fax 519-284-1144 or e-mail.goad@wwdc.com. Thanks.Nelson Goad

September 21, 2001—Nelson Goad—Avion Slide Failure Update— I can not take credit for solving my problem, there was a pin that needed to be replaced however the real reason the slide would not go in or out was related to an electrical problem i.e.: motherboard. My only input was writing the check to have my local RV dealer do the repair. And now you know the rest of the story. Nelson Goad


August 19, 2001— My Avion trailer is missing the exterior door way light lens. It seems to be about 4 inches across and round and should be clear. No screws were needed to install. It just twists on. Please someone help! The trailer is a 1966 19 foot. Thanks Houston Wills - h.wills@kzep.com, San Antonio TX.


August 20, 2001—Tom & Roberta Cockcroft - tomnbert@escapees.com—Fiberglass Door Panels— I have a 1995 Avion 36.5 fifth wheel the fiberglass on the access panels have always had a blister type bubble effect, it hasn't really bothered me till now the panel popped out at the top on the water/sewer panel. Is there a fix for this problem.Tom Cockcroft #17307

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September 5, 2001—Tim and Jamie Land— Hello Indiana Avion People! I have recently come across your website and am very impressed by the amount of information available. The timing is great for me! My wife, Jamie, and I are owners of a 1972 Avion T-28 (1/72), serial number S-281003. This unit is set up with the rear twin beds and the front dinette, which converts to a double bed. We purchased this unit at a consignment lot in Oxnard, California in October, 1991. It was our "low-cost" first-time venture into trailering as our first son made tenting a little too uncomfortable. We were intent on getting a clean, older aluminum type, in our modest price range, and assumed it would be an Airstream. We searched Southern California from Irvine, to Riverside, and all the way up to Pismo Beach. Discouraged to the point of giving up, we came across our trailer less than ten miles from our house. This unit was in very good shape functionally and structurally (and much better than the strange mix of Airstream and Argosy models we had come across!). We were instantly converted to Avion people. It was, and is, very original (including the 1970's green curtains!). We did pull out the carpet, flipped it over to use as a template and cut out a pattern of a good quality remnant. The only real negative was the aluminum skin. We believe we are the third owners. The first couple, who picked it up at the factory, were from a beach city in the Los Angeles area and who also, based on the decal shadows, spent time in Baja California. The second owner (purchased it in June, 1986) lived in Port Hueneme, Ventura County, California, which is also right on the beach. So we have that vertical streaking in the anodize that I haven't yet cured. I have resisted anything that could remove the finish completely as I do not want to get trapped in the continual repolishing game. So some of the info on your site is very interesting.
Anyway, we have loved this baby ever since we bought it and have traveled in California, Nevada, Arizona and Oregon. Time spent in it has been wonderful. It is a dream to tow with my 1994 HD Ford 250 extended cab. Three years ago, we moved from Camarillo, California to Williams, Oregon in the Applegate River Valley near Grants Pass and Medford. Alas! the trailer has sat for those three years. However, we have just pulled it out form its "guest quarters" spot under the trees and are going to go through it again and hit the road! Hence, the search for info on fixes, parts, etc., which led to your site.
I believe in giving the help I can in exchange for the expected expertise available through you. I was fortunate to receive, along with the trailer, a wonderful set of documentation that I will gladly share with others in the Avion world. You can post this on your site as well. The documentation consists of:

Installation, Operation and Maintenance flyer set, four pages, including a parts list. Well, there you have it. This has to be one of the longer e-mails I have ever written! I have just started to go through the trailer and have one immediate question. Two of the original window cranks have seized up on me. How can these be repaired or replaced. Usable windows is always mandatory. I imagine that aging plastic or metal corrosion is the culprit but have no clue on where to start with these without doing some permanent damage.
I'm sure that we will have more questions down the road and look forward to sharing them with you. I'll send along some pictures of our trailer once we clean her up. Do you have any location/contact info on the Oregon/Idaho group? When it comes to copying, please have some patience. I am an active Realtor here in Southern Oregon and my schedule seems always packed. But I will get to any requests ASAP! If anyone wants info on our area to visit, move to, or retire to, please feel free to contact me. Thanks in advance. —
Tim and Jamie Land15995 Water Gap Road, Williams, OR 97544. E-mail:land@cpros.com. Fax: (541) 846-0329

September 16, 2001—Eileen Vollowitz— Noticed you were looking for original owners manuals. I've got'em all for our '73 Cayo Motivator Motorhome, including the Cayo manual (it's hand typed! That's a bit of nostaligia for you.), the docs for the original appliances, and the docs for the ChevyVan 30 Chassis.

September 20, 2001—Bill Rahm - WORahm@AOL.COM— I am still interested in finding anyone that may have or know where I can purchase the Blue 1.5" wide, 3M tape (film). Apparently, the film was a special color and is no longer available though 3M. Nor does 3M sell 1.5" wide film. I know that Avion dealers use to stock the film and would be willing to pay any resonable price. I need about 70 feet. Has anyone replaced the film with another color? If so, where did you obtain the film and what color did you use?Bill Rahm - WORahm@AOL.COM

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October 5, 2001— Fiberglass Bubble — I have a 92 - 29T and have a bubble under the skin near the front. Don't know if this is common but need good service. I feel if it is not done right the first time it will be a problem for ever. I would like to know of a reputable place that does this type of repair and stands behind thier work. I would even welcome info on how to do it myself..John Schult JSJONDEE@aol.com

October 5, 2001— Clutchhead Screws — We are trying to get a couch in the 1972 Avion reaploulstered and are finding an hour glass type screw throughout. Can you please assist on where we can go to find the tool or have one sent to us. Thanks.Kellie Cheney, 207-934-4527, EmailKCheney@maine.rr.com
[RV Dealers sell the special Clutchhead Screw driver or bit as these are the special screws commonly used in RV's. DEG}
Just to add to the info. I called and went to several rv places and they had no idea what it was. Also most of them said this was not common and we would need to see a furniture dealer. What a shame they are all not up to date with this item. I did call a rv dealer in pa that sells Avion's and they were very helpful to me and are sending me the item through ups. I was wondering if I have questions like this all the time can I continue to email you. I have gone on the site which by the way is great and have learned alot. But for the questions that are not on there can we continue to email this address. You were great to get back to me so quickly. Thanks Again.Kellie New owner of the La Grande Avion 31'.

Clutch Head xScrew
 

Originated by United Screw and Bolt. The recess in clutch heads looks like a bowtie. In a pinch, a clutch head screw can be driven by a slotted screwdriver. A worn tip on a driver can easily be restored by grinding off the end. Clutch head screws were popular in mobile home construction and electric motors. The size is the diameter in inches of the bit point. 1/8", 5/32", 3/16", 1/4", 5/16". The most common size in RV's is 5/32".

Square Head xScrew
 

The square recess design was invented by P. L. Robertson in 1908. Its advantages are great resistance to camout and 4 possible positions for the driver. Henry Ford used such screws in the Model A, but dropped it when Robertson refused to give him exclusive rights to its use. Many recreational vehicles use these screws. The most common size in RV's is #2.

October 30, 2001—Larry D Harris — larrry2@juno.com— : We have a 1993 34foot avion, A few days ago we noticed a smell like rotten eggs coming from it ,after checking it out I found the batteries were very hot and about out of water. These were almost new batteries, and would not hold a charge after this,I had, had the 120 hooked up to it for a couple of weeks,but I've never had this problem before. What could be causing it to overcharge? --Larry D Harris

October 30, 2001— How to remove the DRAIN! —E.J. Stith — ranger@mail.tlh.fdt.net— My tub drain on my '88 34Y is corroded. How does one replace that drain? I see no way to get to it from the bottom. Does it screw out the top (inside the tub)? A guy at Lowes said there is a tool to do exactly that but everyone I talk to says one has to take off a nut on the bottom of the tub. Makes no sense to me. Help Please —E.J. Stith

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November 1, 2001— How to Tie Down an Avion? —Michael Swartz - mglahn@cleanweb.net— What can I use to tie down and secure to the ground for a 1976 24' Avion traveler trailer? I appreciate any suggestions. Thanks.Michael Swartz — Harlingen, Texas

November 2, 2001— (Think this happens to everyone!) —Jamie Berry - jberry@suckercreek.on.ca— Today is special!!! - With wife watching and both of us being as careful as can be, I backed into the end of the garage and dinged the top corners, one corner noticeably and the opposite corner not so. This "accident" is an indication of something I don't know what. But effect on me is that I'm not up to the brain level required to handle an RV. Cayo repair quotes top corners at $439.18 each and the total repair at $825. Many people might not mind the corner dings, but to me, the dings are a badge of supreme stupidity. I am not very good at forgiving myself for such accidents. As of now, I want to sell it. : ( -Jamie. — — Hi again: Amazingly, the day is warming up and the dings are coming out so as to be less noticeable. The trailer must be magic. I feel a bit better, but not forgiven. —Jamie.

November 2, 2001—Michael R Heenan— I have a 1968 Avion C10 slide in. I have just started to work on it. It has a hydro flame heater. Anyone out there have experience with this unit? I could not get it to start. It has a pilot light system. Thanks.Mike Heenan, Vancouver Washington.

November 4, 2001— Avion first voyage —Sue McCoy - SMcCoy@islc.net— Just a note to let you know we spent about 3 weeks camping at Hunting Island for our first trip in our little home. It was great!! It is so cozy and comfortable. I really love it already. Everything works great with the exception of the refrigerator. It keeps going off. It seems to switch from ac to gas then off sometimes. Sometimes it will work for two days just fine. Then it will cut off 2 or 3 times in one day. We haven't got it figured out yet. This was the only problem we had. Our lot was right on the ocean. Watched the waves roll in from the sofa. You were right, we do love our Avion. Thanks for all your help in locating prices previously.Sue

November 24, 2001— Hi - Just to let you know I recently purchased an old Avion trailer which is no longer on the road. It is a T 27 model # 270032. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has an owner's manual for this model, and would be willing to supply copies.Henry Gaulin,HGaulin@earthlink.net

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January 22, 2002—Ed Kersey— Trying to locate a circa 1964 Avion 24' single axle that was registered in Orange County, Texas, owned by Everett E. Kersey circa 1979. Mr Kersey sold it circa 1983......The (2) tires were heavy duty 6 or 8 ply and ran at high pressure of 60 psi or so, much like a truck tire. This particular Avion had the bathroom in the back, then 2 sets of bunk beds then the kitchen then dinette with the door being between the kitchen and dinette. The spare tire was mounted on the back and the bumper could hold a couple of bike.Ed Kersey, Telephone: 830 401 4845. Email:postalplus@axs4u.net.

January 24, 2002—ShakeyH@msn.com - James Hope#7767 — Without a doubt the best travel trailering days of my eighty years on this earth were spent in my Avion trailers. I recently sold my 35 foot unit, the fifth unit I've had, because of my age. We started off with a 25 foot unit. We've been cross country four times and have visited all 48 of the continental states. I hope that all the campers out there are as fine a group of people as the Avioners I rubbed shoulders with. They're hard to beat. This is not a paid advertisement, it's from the heart. God bless all my friends. especially the ones pulling those Avion trailers. -Jim & Madeline Hope #7767

January 30, 2002—JackH108@aol.com - Jack Hammonds— Dr. G, I bought the camper. It is basically in good shape, actually almost excellent shape outside and in, but it needed a lot done, as I have found out most do. The water lines had frozen and burst in several places, the fridge doesn't work, it did not have a converter or battery, but it had never leaked to any extent. It was a side gaucho model, with an extending table that would feed about 6 people. The one on the end would sure have had to be the waiter, because no one else could have got out without crawling under the table. I looked at it for a while, confused as to what to do, tore the whole works out and threw it away. I took the water tank and air compressor out. The whole works from cabinet to wall. I put in a 32 gal water tank and Shur-Flo pump, plumbed the whole thing with brass fittings with hose barbs and clamps, and high pressure hose. I tried to fix the holding tank several times, put in a new valve, took the old toilet out, looked in the tank, and came to the conclusion that a rat had eaten a hole in the tank from the inside, from the dropping. I bought a Porta potti as I should have in the first place. I fixed a modern shower hose and head, built a curved shower curtain rod. The water heater turned right on, to my surprise. I also mounted a battery case, and a 1750 inverter from Portawatt, plus a converter from an Airstream. I want to put a PlayCool swamp cooler on this summer. I got to take one trip to the race track at Del Mar in it, and it was enjoyable. I have it on a 86 3/4 ton Ford Diesel 4 speed, air, cruise, a one-owner that I bought. It gets about 14 mpg and runs great. I had to put some Hellwig overloads to really get it solid. I weighed it once, and I think it only weighed about 1800 lb.. I really like it, although I haven't used it much, I will this spring and summer. I have a wireless notebook computer, cell phone, small color TV, and a microwave, that will run off the inverter. Really roughing it. Hot water, closet, great bed (I also have a Holiday Rambler PU camper that I would like to sell) I am 63, weigh about 220, 6' and a bit arthritic. To get out of the bed, all I have to do is roll over to the edge, drop one leg down on the water tank cover, and stand up. The Holiday, you have to get between the fridge and a cabinet like you are in a wheel chair, and kind of eject yourself. What I really like about my camper inside, is that it is so open. I mounted a 3 seat bench type couch on the right side (cut off legs, screwed down) I am very happy with it , obviously. I looked at another camper. It had the roof vent out, had leaked terribly for years, no doubt, and had a lot of rot inside, It also had some big dents in it. It is just a result of neglect, and weather. Like you say, I seem to see more campers than before. They still haven't made a better one, in my opinion. I didn't mean to write a book, but when I got to thinking about what I had done, I couldn't stop. Thanks again, and I will be sending a donation.Jack Hammonds. ----- If someone needs help with a camper, I will be glad to help them if I can. I have a tool that did not exist when it was built. I needed to see what was behind the fiberglass moulding in the bathroom, so I took the toilet paper holder out, reached in with the digital camera, and made photos of areas I could not possibly have seen, even with a mirror. It helped greatly in running the water lines.Jack Hammonds.

January 31, 2002—James Pallette — jimpal@infostations.com—1975 Avions— Hello, I have been researching older Avions and stumbled across your site. It is the best I've found and has been keeping me busy just reading and looking. Noticed that you don't have the 1975 models listed and I just happen to have that particular brochure and price list. Models and list price as follows: Hope this is useful. —Jim Pallette.

25ft Travelcader — $9,925 25ft LaGrand — $10,764
28ft Travelcader — $11,398 28ft LaGrand — $12,298
31ft Travelcader — $12,852 31ft LaGrand — $13,911

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February 3, 2002—Mark Petruno - k3mp@enter.net. — I have a 1984 Avion 34-V. I used to use a 350 1991 Chevy Conversion Van to tow. This vehicle really is not strong enough. I will be retiring in a few years and am looking for any comments on what most of the Avion owners use to tow with. I am open to many suggestions. I would prefer having something with 4 doors. This is the first time I came about your site and really appreciate all that is on it. It gives me something to look forward to when my wife and I retire. Thanks for the site.Mark and Dot Petruno, Catasauqua, PA.

February 3, 2002—Brakes/Hubs?—Troy Muhl - muhl@clarkfield.ruralink.com. We have a 1978 28ft. Avion with 2 axles. Everything is in perfect shape inside and out. We have only had it 3 years, but are very pleased with it. My problem is some times the hubs get very hot. I've had the wheel bearings replaced and the brakes checked. The mechanic test drove it for just a couple miles and said everything was fine and of course they didn't get hot while he was pulling it. I think it has something to do with the brakes but don't have enough knowledge about it. I would appreciate any help on this. Thank you for your comments.Troy Muhl

February 7, 2002—Maritime Travelcade & Georgia Rally— Tom Johnson - tomj_ga@att.net— We made the cut this morning for the Ultimate Maritime Experience 2002 Travelcade led by Phil & Patti Fretwell. When the calls stopped coming in this morning, there was a waiting list of 5!! Kathy Brown is also going to be along. There was still 2 openings when she got through. For those of you that don't know, this Travelcade starts in Houlton, Maine on July 22, and end in Bangor, Maine on September 6. After that, if we aren't worn out and broke, we plan on going up into northern Ontario at least as far north as North Bay, and maybe on around through Sudbury to Sault Ste Marie if the weather is good. We will be in Orlando for the winter Rendezvous in March and then the Georgia Rally in April at Twin Oaks near Perry, GA. Hope to see most of you at one of these functions at least!2002 Georgia Rally: Friends are invited!! Just let Ken & Phyllis know you are to be my guest. See link below:http://www.geocities.com/aviontravelcade/garally.html--Till next time,Tom tomj_ga@att.net—http://www.geocities.com/tomj_ga/—http://www.geocities.com/aviontravelcade/

February 7, 2002—Avion Floor Repair—Patrick Unkel - oldunk@bellsouth.net— I have a 1969 Avion trailer and I have removed a small portion of the 3/8" plywood in the front of the trailer( about one foot extending from the wall and about three to four feet extending to about the middle of the enter and exit door). I seem to have had water damage on the area that I removed. But the problem I am facing is that the floor seems to be seperated into sections(as well as the three layers you specified). the floor seems to be seperated by a 1" by 2" wooden stud, the stud divides the first tree to four feet of the trailer from what appears to be the rest of the trailer. My flooring in the front of the stud is sagging not being conected to the wall at all on the side with the water damage. the stud too is partially rotten. by the way behind the stud there seems to be a metal support for the third layer instead of the plywood............any suggestions on how to fix the sagging and repair the stud? and what about the metal support are you familiar with that? —Patrick Unkel.

February 9, 2002—Roof Sealer—Rick Richnow— Thank you so much for changing our e-mail address. Also do you still need someone to write about how to seal a trailer. If so we just completed ours and I now have quite the insight in doing so. We also took on a new line of roof sealer for RV's. It is called EPDM and are purchasing it at a very good price, we are resealing it at half the cost of the product in the RV stores. Making some progress on the trailer as you could tell. I need to buy some wiring so I'm at a bit of a stand still till more money comes in. Also found skylights for the trailer, not cheap but not real expensive either. They use the same skylights in Sea Ray boats. Hope you are doing well, drop us a line when you get a chance. Thank you,Rick Richnow, Unit #17174.

February 14, 2002—TV Antenna Lead-in cable—David Hammond. The lead in cable to my Skyliner TV Antenna on my 1984 30' Avion has just plain worn out. I called Braund Manufacturing about a replacement but they have gone to coax for the newer units. Also the end attaching to the antenna is 300 ohm shielded cable but the outlet inside is 75 ohm coax. Does anyone know where the matching transformer is located?? It is probably not possible to replace the entire cable as it was build inside the structure at the factory. Please reply todamar@zianet.comAny help would be appreciated.David Hammond.

February 18, 2002—Drapes—Les and Betty Taylor— Could anyone out there tell me if there is a source to buy replacement drapes for our 1987 34W Avion? Thank You.Les and Betty Taylor, #13554. Email:lescalb@cs.com.

February 22, 2002—Vent Cover—Gail— Needed to find a vent cover for ceiling fans in ''76 LaGrande. Fleetwood gave me the phone # for CAYO Inc. (new address) 4835 M-140, Watervliet, Michigan 49098.  Telephone (269) 463-5068, FAX (269) 463-5073. The gentleman at Cayo said that they fabricate this and other parts for our older (but better) Avions. Cayo, I understand is a very short distance from the Avion mfg. plant. Don't know the connection but notice that Avion/Cayo on some of your references. Very nice man and helpful. Been looking for this for 3 years. Also helped with a problem with sticky walls. Be Happy Campers.Gail.

February 23, 2002—Tin Can Tourists- Fourth Annual Gathering — May 16-19, 2002 — Camp Dearborn. Milford, Michigan — TheTin Can Tourists, a vintage trailer and motor coach club, dedicated to the promotion and preservation of vintage trailers and motor coaches, will meet for its Fifth Annual Gathering at Camp Dearborn on May 16-19, 2002. The Tin Can Tourists' Vintage Trailer and Motor Coach Gathering will be held at beautiful Camp Dearborn, Milford, Michigan. Camp Dearborn is a city owned facility that includes both camping and recreational facilities. Mystic Creek, a 27-hole championship golf course, is part of the facility. The Fourth Annual Gathering drew 57 vintage trailers and motor coaches from across the United States and Canada. Attendees for 2002 will include a 1936 Bowlus towed by a 36' Buick Roadmaster, a 1936 Curtiss Aerocar towed with a 1938 Custom International, a 1948 Westwood, a 1947 Curtis Wright, a 1948 Airstream Liner and a 49' Vagabond towed by a 49' Buick. The concours and open house will be held on Saturday, May 19 from 1:00 to 3:00. Registration ($80) includes each member's annual TCT dues, three nights camping for two adults with electric, breakfast buffet, award's dinner, and daily coffee & doughnuts. To register, send check made out to Forrest Bone, participant names, mailing address, and the name, year and make of trailer or motor coach to address below. (2/22/2002).Forrest Bone, 4 High Street, Bradenton, Florida 34208 Phone 941-748-1483. EmailF23Bone@earthlink.net. After April 30th, Phone 248-684-0393.Tin Can Tourists

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March 4, 2002 —Gary D Vest- GVest@clnk.com- Holding Tanks? — HELP— I have an 83, 35 ft. Avion. It has been immobile for most of its life with a few exceptions. My problem lies in the gray water tank, I guess over the years solids have settled out and it is completely plugged. I need to remove it and either clean or replace it but the manual does not tell you specifically where the darn thing is. Can someone help me locate the thing, and give me some hints about removing. —Gary Vest.

March 7, 2002 —Joni GrammyNJ@webtv.net- Holding Tank Valve — HELP- Our cable operated waste tank valve on our 1998 Avion does not close all the way. Valve was changed, cable was adjusted several times and still valve will not close all the way allowing water to run off leaving the solids behind. Is there a replacement rod controlled valve or what could be done? -Joni
Dear Dr. G, thank you very much for your response. My husband called Avion Service Dept. and they said that if it were installed properly there would be no problem. That was there only answer, no solutions to our problem. Then he called Cayo repair and they only handle Avions up to the production of the 1990 units. So far we are not doing too good with our problem. Our model is 34SD which is side dinette with a rear kitchen.

March 18, 2002 — Avion H-24 for Sale —Avion H-24 - I have a H-24 I have been working on and wish to sell it. $2,800.00. . (3/18/2002).Jim Huff, 215 Pemberton, Big Rapids, MI 49307. Telephone: 231-796-1870. Email: jcorknahs@yahoo.com. — 1962 Avion travel trailer Model H-24. This is a project I have been working on for the past two years and I have too many irons in the fire so a couple of my personal projects has to go. I will try to describe it to the best of my ability. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to call me at Jim Huff 231-796-1870 or e-mail atBJHuff@frontiernet.net. The trailer is located in Big Rapids, Michigan. When I purchased this trailer is was not road worthy so I jacked up the trailer and pulled both wheels. The bearings are in excellent shape and I re-packed both wheels. It has 15in split rims so I sandblasted the wheels and snap rings, purchased new wheel liners, tubes and new original size tires and I also cleaned the electric breaks and it has great pads. The next thing I did was removed the front sofa and anything else that was movable. I removed all the floor tile, patched any area where the frame bolts rusted (Ground down the rust) and patched over them with fiberglass or waterproof wood putty. This trailer had no hot water tank, so I found an original tank, took it apart completely, inspected the inner tank, re-insulated the tank, cleaned the pilot and burner and re-assembled it and made sure it worked before installing it in it's original position under the right rear bunk along with the correct outer cover. Next I completely rebuilt the kitchen sink vanity. As you can see in my photos is just like new. I also installed the trailers original double sink with a good faucet. I also removed the stove completely, completely took it apart and cleaned and reinstalled it. The pan under the burners needs to be covered or replaced; there are several small areas that are rusted through. Next I removed the refrigerator and furnace. I tried the refrigerator in my garage on electricity and it works however the inner door cover is in bad but usable shape I am told that if it works on electricity it will work fine on propane, however no guarantee and any of the appliances. The furnace I completely took apart, checked the firebox had new plate steel made for the lower firebreak next to the floor and reinstalled it fired it up and works just fine. This trailer came with double bunks in the rear; I removed the two top bunks, because it is just the wife and myself. I have the bunks that were removed and they can easily be reinstalled if you like. The springs for the lower beds need to be recovered, because I removed the coverings. I also had two new mattresses custom made for the lower bunks. In the bathroom I pulled the toilet and replaced the water valve. The walls that separated the birth area shower and toilet were patched (holes from upper bunks) and painted with a good oil paint (could use another coat), I wall papered the walls above the head board of the bunk area and painted the lower portion of the birth area. I have done little painting within the trailer as not to take away from the original speckle paint. You can paint it if you like. The toilet has a small holding tank original to the trailer, no leaks. I pulled apart all the fans, in the rear bath area, kitchen over the stove and the one above the sofa in the front. Next I located a wooden folding door (Pella) I took this door apart cut it fit the opening between the kitchen and birth area and it works nicely and looks sweet. The cabinets were shellacked so I started sanding them and put a coat of shellacked on them (could have done a better job at that). The locks on the cabinets are original, but need to be replaced or painted. There was a hood fan over the stove it was rusted out so I remove it and a new one needs to be installed. Now that's all the good news here is the bad. It has one roof leak around the front top vent or the aluminum and when it rains hard it runs down between the front wall and behind the couch. I have not installed tile in that area for two reasons, I ran out of tile for under the couch and did not want to finish that floor area until the leak was really fixed. I think the aluminum on top need to be cleaned and sealed. Light fixtures come as they are but they work except the one in the back bath. I have replaced several of the window cranks and screens. The rear window has broken glass and I believe one window in the birth area. The area around the bottom of the trailer has several dents some large some small. Also the locks on all the outside access doors need fixing or replaced. It has a new dual propane hook-up, the water tank need new gas line. I have fixed or replaced the water feed lines but you need to check them your self to be sure.The price for this project is $2,800. This is what I have in the trailer and I just want it to go to someone who likes to bring back to us a piece of the past. It will make a good travel trailer for someone.. (3/18/2002).Jim Huff, 215 Pemberton, Big Rapids, MI 49307. Telephone: 231-796-1870. Email:jcorknahs@yahoo.com. —Return to Avions for Sale.

March 24, 2002 — Restoration— Just a reminder for those restoring trailers that there is a commerical restoration site on the internet that specializes in decontamination of trialers for people with severe allergies. They also show trailers in various stages of renovation. It has been on our links site for many years so remember to check out .HEALTHY HOMES

March 26, 2002 — Rodger where are you?—Rodger Dangremond - JDangremond@juno.com— Here we are! Late last summer we moved and our new address is: 356 Turnberry Way, Holland, MI 49423. Our new phone number is (269) 355-7455. Currently we are in Florida, but we will be returning home on April 6th. Our winter address November through March is: 3025 Silverado Terrace, Winter Haven, FL 33884. (863) 324-8586. Thanks for following up on these inquiries. When we return home, we will mail you some information, parts sheet, and photos. All parts are also available through Cayo Repair. Rodger Dengremond, RV Specialities.

March 29, 2002 — Replacement Shower Curtains— We are looking for a scource for replacement shower curtains for our 1986 32' Avion. If you know of one please E-Mail us atgtboots@aol.com


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April 4, 2002 — Roof Repairs?—Michael Seamans michaelseamans145@msn.com— I own an RV park and one of the park trailers I have is an Avion 34-V. With the airplane design what is the proper way to seal the roof if it has a few leaks and there has been some minimal damage? It is a beautiful trailer and i would like to save it. (4/4/2002).Michael Seamans.

April 4, 2002 — 12V Short in Trailer—Billie Ferguson - BilyJ@madisontelco.com— Have a '72 avion with ground in the outside wiring. With battery hooked up-circuit breaker trips on converter--disconnect battery and clicking stops--I can hook up 120 vac and everything inside trailer works--so I am assuming converter is ok.-have not hooked power cable to tow vehicle--might blow fuses. With one lead of meter to ground--most of plug shows ground. Sure could use some help--thanks.Bill Ferguson, 523 South 5th Stree, New Douglas, IL 62074. Telephone: 217-456-8702.
April 6, 2002— For second time I've had battery load tested. They both say it should be ok-(I had borrowed my nephew's marine battery--and it did same as mine--guess it must be charge circuit board--trying to locate converter I could try before I buy--doubtful I could find pc board--really appreciate yours and others who have offered suggestions. Not over yet but narrowing it. Thanks to my e-mail friends and fellow campers. — [We will post the answer to this one when it is found. - DrG].

April 8, 2002 —Simon Jones— Painting an Avion?— I am interested to know if any Avion owners of pre 1990 models have had their Avions painted rather than go the usual skin maintenance route. It was suggested to me by theCanAmpeople that many Airstream/Avion owners are now going this route.They even gave me the paint name and code they are using.I would like to hear if you were pleased with the result. I am considering this route with a 1977 28 ft Avion LaGrande.Simon Jones-info@shikari-offshore.com

April 9, 2002 —Marianne Wall—I need to know the psi of the lifts for a 1990 - 11.7 meter (38 ft) Avion 5th wheel. These are for the queen size bed - the hardware is still under the bed, but the hydraulic lifts are missing. With the weight of the bed, it is impossible for one person to raise it and prop it up. Thanking you in advance.Marianne Wall-MKW109@webtv.net

April 9, 2002 — Awning Hardware and Avion Bras —Kathy Ross - CustomerService - Carefree of Colorado— I am sorry but we no longer have hardware for the pre 73 Avions and we no longer sell the Force Shields. If I can be of further assistance, please let me know. (4/9/2002).Kathy, Customer Service-Carefree of Colorado.

April 22, 2002 — New Address —My e-mail address is changed. I am still willing to share my manuals.Cliff Cole. (2/23/2002). My new address:my3boys@execpc.com.


May 8, 2002 — T-28 —Kevin Kollman - jka@rtcol.com— I have a 1969 T-28. Don't know anything else. If anyone knows anything about this one, I'd like to know more. (5/8/2002). Thanks.Kevin Kollman

May 9, 2002 — Frame Rust —Jerry Gere - hallgere@epix.net— I'm looking at a 1962 T 20. It has been outdoors for at least 25 years. Appears to be in fairly good structural shape except for the steel frame rails where they pass into the aluminum cowling. All 4 rails have holes rusted through them at this point. I can't tell without removing aluminum cowling if rust extends under the trailer. Anybody have experience with repair or what to expect under the trailer? Thanks.Jerry Gere - hallgere@epix.net

May 9, 2002 — Slide Problems —I have a 95 36.5 ft the main slide has moved back 1-2 inches when it is in the bottom rear sticks out, when it is out the bottom front does not meet the wall. I would like ideas before I do anything . —Wayne & Carol - waycar5@shaw.ca

May 11, 2002 — Fiberglass Replacement Parts —The following handlaidfiberglassHardware partsmade in the USA are readily available:

A.   Pre 1988 Rock guards for Avions. B.   1988-1990 Ribbed Rock guards for Avions. C.   Battery/Storage Box. D.   LP Bottle Cover for Avions E.   18 x 18 Fan Shroud. F.   Interior Shade Cover for Avions. G.   18 x 18 Vent Cover, 14 x 14 Vent Cover H.   18 x 25 Vent Cover. I.   Refrigerator Vent Cover. J.   Step Cover (Exterior) for Avions

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All parts are available throughCayo Repair Service, 4835 M-140, Watervliet, Michigan 49098.  Telephone (269) 463-5068, FAX (269) 463-5073. Hours 7am to 4 pm Eastern.

May 11, 2002 — Window Removal —Colin Collins - cmjac13@msn.com— My wife and I have a 1971 28' Avion LaGrande and need information on replacing windows. It appears as though it is necessary to drill out the exterior rivets to accomplish the removal of the window frame. we don't want to have to do this if the is another way. HELP! —Colin Collins

May 14, 2002 — New Camping Facility —Dennis K Shields - DShields@wabash.net— We have started a new Facility in southeastern Illinois, we have primitive Camping for self contained campers and RV's, we are a family orientated business, we offer small restaurant, recreation center, handicapped restrooms, and a 50 X 50 dance hall with all types of music, we only charge $3.00 for primitive camping and $2.00 for dumping RV waste we are in a very small community in a town called Bone Gap, Illinois this town is a very good place to come visit and see some good old country charm, we also support a Traveling Memorial for our missing Brothers and Sisters of past and present wars through this business, was wondering if you could list us as a place to camp in your directory if you have one, if you want any further information on this facility please contact Dennis atDShields@wabash.net. We are located appx: 60 mi. Northwest of Evansville, Indiana as the crow fly's in the state of Illinois. Thanks. Dennis.

May 15, 2002 — 1963 H24 —We are the proud owners of this great little 1963 H-24 trailer. Everything is original and in need of some repairs. I want to cover the cushions and find mattresses that fit the two single but long beds in the middle of this trailer. You may list us as owners and please feel free to email us to discuss your findings on how to remodel without losing the look and feel of original. Thanks, Jason & Nikki Bass @ Basswf2@aol.com

May 16, 2002 — 1981 Manual Wanted —I'm looking for a manual that goes to a 34 ft., 1981 Avion, rear bathroom. Will be happy to pay for copy. Thanks.Jimmy Seaman - JDSeaman@hotmail.com

May 20, 2002 — 1966 Avion Travelcader —Christopher Haner - CHaner10@pop3.comcast.net— Hello, my name is Christopher C. Haner. I bought a '66 Avion Travelcader last year. I found that it has the original brochures, manuals, even the returned check from the purchase. I would be more than happy to share any of this with anyone interested.Christopher Haner. Email:CHaner10@pop3.comcast.net.

May 22, 2002 — 1966 Avion Travelcader —Christopher Haner - CHaner10@pop3.comcast.net— Hello, My name is Chris. Last year, while living for a stint in the Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania, I came upon an ancient artifact popping out of an old man's blizzard-swept yard. Amid the rusted washing machines, engine blocks and burned out refrigerators, there it had sat for time untold. It looked like a cross between a WW1 Spy Blimp, a hillbilly love shack, and a George Jetson Cruise-A-Tron 2000 that had crash landed and had been left for dead. I decided right then and there that whatever the heck it was, I had to have it. Despite the fact that it was plastered with three inches of leaves, four feet of snow and ten years of grime and filth, some deep-rooted instinct told me that no god-fearing, American Father should be without one of those things. Whatever the heck it was. Some long dormant Ward Cleaver DNA strand started ringing off the hook in my frontal lobes. Before I could think twice, I was on was on that rickety old porch, risking a near certain shot gun wound, cash in hand, begging for the that big ol' thing-a-ma-doo that was slowly sinking into the back forty. But for the grace, I didn't end up getting shot. What I did, however, end up with was a '66 Avion in all but it's pristine glory. Under the grime I found the travelcade convention stickers for nearly every get together from 1966 to 1985. This thing had history and someone had loved it like a favored son. The interior is all vintage and it came chock full of the original manuals, instructions, warranties (even the returned check and invoice from it's original purchase) Not bad for the 150.00 I paid for it! I also found brochures from the Avion travelcade club from the mid-sixties, hubcaps and all the poles and assemblies for the original awning, which had long since been used up by a great many generations of mice. The day I came to tow her, I plugged in the wiring harness. Nothing. I expected this after finding out it had sat, unused for seven years. And then, like an ancient gear starting to turn, she began blinking and the running lights came on. This old girl had some soul in her yet! Except for several thousand leaks in the water lines, a new water heater and rerunnning the gas lines, Every other system rolled right over. Needless to say, I have become an avid Avion owner; spending most weekends at my campground hunting stripers on the S. Jersey Beaches. My trailer, affectionately named "Uncle Corky" by my son, has made me a believer. The quality and workmanship is incredible. They truly do not make trailers, (or anything else) like that anymore. I have a three year plan to completely restore "Uncle Corky". After the major systems, my next task is the exterior. I have seen pictures on several sites of the exact same model as mine, shining like a mirror. Mine is dull and battleship grey from years of oxidation. I have read some things on the web about cleaning and coating them, while my cousin (who works with aluminum everyday) told me that milled aluminum can be polished to a high finish with buffing compounds and a buffer. But I've also read on your site the letter of one man who said that the oxidation still comes quickly through after buffing. I found a company called Caswell Plating in NY that sells a whole kit for just such a purpose for one hundred and eighty five bucks. It's got several grades of compound, grinder, buffing wheels, etc. But before I go ahead and make the purchase, I want to be sure this will work. If anyone can offer any advice or needs manuals, please let me know. Thanks,Chris.

May 24, 2002 — 1977 Avion LeGrande —Simon Jones - info@shikari-offshore.com— It all started in Mazatlan, Mexico where I was camped in my truck and camper and one evening saw a matched pair of beautiful Avions pull into the campsite. I was already contemplating trading the camper off for an Airstream but one look at these Avion beauties and forgot about Airsteams. Both owners were in their Eighties and showed me about their Avions and said they were previous Airstream owners but had found that they were not as well built as the Avion. Much stronger frames and constructed so that it was easy to get at all components in case of repairs. I was hooked!! Started my search some months ago and found this Avion site[yours] full of information and started following the want ads. I was determined to find a 28 foot rear bathroom. I left an ad on the "trailer wanted" section and then settled in to wait. I live on Vancouver Island in British Columbia but was prepared to travel anywhere in North America for what I wanted. imagine my surprise when I got a call one day from the friend of someone that had an Avion for sale and yes it turned out to be a 1977 28 ft LeGrande rear bedroom just as I wanted. Not only that but it was a mere 50 miles away! I went over to have a look and it turned out that it had sat half in a garage and half out for 14 years without moving. The exterior was pretty well unmarked but had gone gray like an elephant skin. The inside was in good shape but had obviously leaked at some time. I suspected I would have to do floor repairs and replace the appliances. I decided to take a chance and bought the old girl then and there, ordered up new tires, checked the brakes and hauled her back to the Island and turned her over to a trailer repair shop for inspection. We found the gas lines leaky and repaired them and that the copper lines had frozen and ruptured causing a leak that sent water under the sofa and into the insulation where it stayed and rotted out the floor there. After ripping up the first 10 feet of the floor in the front we were gratified to see the simple ladder steel construction in the floor and saw that repairs were easy. we also found that all appliances including the 'fridge started first try and work flawlessly. The cast iron burner in the furnace was a wonder as it burnt with a steady blue flame as if it was brand new. We don't care much for the 70s decor so chucked the bright yellow toilet and matching sink along with the gaudy yellow counter which has been replaced with ivory porcelain and a brown marble type sink counter. Minor woodwork repairs have been done at the dining room table legs and the base of the opposite cabinet which had been water damaged. Bedroom was unmarked but had hideous yellow wall cloth panels along each of the beds to match the equally hideous yellow bed covers which match the even more hideous yellow sheers! All gone now. Replaced by burgundy floral tapestry wall panels, which match exactly to the burgundy floral tapestry sofa up front. The original cream curtains were in fine shape so we replaced only the yellow sheers with white ones. The floor goes in this week and it is a stunning new vinyl floating [but glued down] plank floor throughout the trailer in the new "Natchez Bamboo" design that is so hard to find and appears to already have been discontinued. It is quite unique and eyecatching as not everyone has a bamboo floor in their trailer. So the interior and all appliances are fixed and will be gorgeous which leaves us with the rather sad looking exterior. I researched this thoroughly and talked to all the usual sources but found the true answer at the manufacturers of anodized aluminum. the story is simple. If you clean and polish anodized aluminum from new it will look new for ever. if it is neglected as mine was, there is no cure and it will never look new again although various methods will improve the looks somewhat. The people at Cayo were most helpful and said that even their clearcoat process would not restore the new look even though it would look much better. I have spoken with two concerns who paint older Avions in the US and they pointed me to several clients who were very happy with the results. One gruff individual I spoke with didn't care to discuss it much but allowed that he had had three units painted by Cayo and he wouldn't do it any other way. Can Am in Ontario has painted several Avions and Airstreams and they report the result is an as new appearance. Their price quote of $5,500CAN and a 3000 mile trip put them out of the running. I have located a paint shop close to home with lots of aluminum experience and familiar with the three part process. They will do it for much less using a Chrysler paint that results in a finish that looks and shines like new aluminum so they will do mine and I will post a picture here once done. Their quote is much more to my liking. I am looking forward to taking a brand new 77Avion LaGrande up the Trout Highway near 100 Mile House BC to use as base camp for a fly fishing trip in mid June. —Simon Jones

May 24, 2002 — Avion Found —Ken and Jimmie - KJShort@sonet.net — We just wanted you to know that we are so excited because we found a 1984 Avion about 100 miles from where we live. We looked at it yesterday, liked it, and Ken went after it today. All the information you had shared certainly was beneficial. It is not "pristine" as Ken would say. But it has been taken care of. The woodwork inside is beautiful. it has original upholstery that is not even dirty. Carpet has been replaced and we will probably replace again at some point. It is a 34W. It has two small dents above the window in the rear where previous owner's brother-in-law backed into garage. One very small dent (like a small rock from mower maybe) on one side near back tire. Otherwise, skin is in really good condition. I wish we had pictures to send you. We are looking forward to joining the travelcade now. We haven't gotten around to sending support for your website yet, but we will do that. Just wanted to thank you again. I know you will be glad we won't be pestering you so much. We sat in the trailer like you suggested and did all the other things, bouncing and so forth. We felt like (because of you) that we were experienced and knew what we were doing. Thanks again,Ken and Jimmie. Thanks.

May 30, 2002 — Cabinet Doorlocks —Tilly Newbold - nanatilly@hotmail.com— I have a 1970 Avion Ultra; my problem is the cabinet doorlocks (to hold the door open) not the actual hinge---I'm not sure what to call them--- mine are breaking at the center pivot. Can they be replaced? Where can I find them? I live in Ontario, Canada. Sure hope you can help. Thank you.Tilly Newbold.


June 8, 2002 — Vinyl Wheel Well Molding — Charles Pace - Wrangler45@msn.com— I need about 12" of black vinyl wheel well molding for a 1993-33' fifth wheel. - Charles Pace.

June 9, 2002 — Avion Slide Problems —Wayne Bosse - aaycar5@shaw.ca— The info you sent was a big help. Here is what we did
1.We loosened off the ram bolts to the slide itself. 2.A burley buddy & I lifted and pushed the slide forward until the seals were in their original places again. 3.We reattached the end of the hydraulic rams to the slide.

June 10, 2002 —Silver Avion Fellowship—Robert Muncy: - You have probably heard about our Fellowship:Silver Avion Fellowship. We're not a club but we do meet several times each year and communicate by snail mail (a newsletter called the"UPDATE"-- three issues a year). Our purpose: to encourage the maintenance, restoration, and use of Silver Avions, and to promote camaraderie and the exchange of information concerning Silver Avions. We operate entirely on donations, now having more than 200 donors, which pays the expenses for record keeping and mail-outs. We emphasize the remarkable accomplishments of the Cayos and associates in designing and producing the best RVs ever produced. We define Silver Avions as RVs made from 1955 until 1990 of riveted aircraft construction having the Cayo or Avion brand name. I have browsed your web-site and I am extremely impressed. We encourage our participants to surf your site if they have on-line capability. An annual donation of $8.00 ensures that a person receive all the mail-outs. Again, thanks so much for the web-site. I hope you plan to continue it. Best regards,Bob Muncy, Coordinator for Secretarial and Financial Matters and Chairperson for Activities,Silver Avion Fellowship. Our E-mail addresses:SilverAvion@frontiernet.netorSilverFellowship@mac.com.

June 10, 2002 — Zolatone Paints for Avion Campers? —[I had been sent a question about the Zolatone Paint used in Avion Truck Campers so I wrote to Zolatone. DEG}. Reply fromRobert Hensley - ZolaBob@aol.com— Unfortunately we do not have record of what was used at Avion Trailers over the years since Zolatone Automotive is a widely distributed coating and they did not purchased directly from us. I would suspect it was our Zolatone Automotive finish (20 Series). It only has had app. 20 stock colors in its line since the 1950's. Some have been discontinued, but there is a good chance the color is still being made today. I'll send you our Master Catalog with a Fandeck with actual sprayouts of our colors so you can try to identify which color was used. Keep in mind, our fandeck is sprayed the way Zolatone Automotive (20 Series) should be sprayed. Some OEMs will deviate from our recommended spray method and spray the way the like. Sincerely, Robert Hensley- Division Manager, Zolatone Automotive, Industrial & Marine

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June 23, 2002 — Plans for a dinette? —Lori Price - LPrice@sfbli.com- We have found a really great deal on a 1989 Avion Travel Trailer, but we have one problem. The unit has a free standing dinette and we really need a trailer that will sleep 6. I'm sure this is going to sound really crazy but, does anyone think it would be a good idea, or even possible, to put a booth in? It's just such a great deal we hate to pass it up. My husband and his Dad are great with jobs like this, so if it's possible, I'm sure they could do it. We just have to find one that can be put in. Please email me if you have comments, ideas, suggestions about the idea ASAP so we can make a decision about the unit. It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,Lori

June 23, 2002 — Painting an Avion Update— Simon Jones— .This note is to tell you that my restoration project of my 1977 28ft LaGrande is now complete and I am persuaded that there is no finer example of that year and model anywhere.She now sports an as new shiny silver skin,remodeled bathroom,Natchez bamboo plank floor throughout and claret brocade sofa with a rose motif to match the bedroom panels.This trailer is magnificent courtesy of the workmen who supplied their skills to the project here on Vancouver Island,British Columbia.I would like to pass on to your readers that I am now convinced that no one has to put up with the tired looking streaked exteriors so common on older Avions and the backbreaking labour associated with trying to bring them back and maintain them.Modern paints have come a long way and properly applied gives a trailer a new looking exterior that is as easy to maintain as your car.This is a three part process that involves a special etching coat then a coat of pearl silver paint and finally a diamond permacote.The results are most gratifying.My paint people here will do the complete job for $2500USD which is much less than I have been quoted by others.I will provide a referral for anyone interested.You can't visit a prettier place in North America while you wait for your Avion to be reborn. Best Regards Simon G.L. Jones. Pres.,Sovereign Strategies Ltd www.shikari-offshore.com

June 26, 2002 — Avion Update—Sherry Jeurissen. — Great to hear from you. I am living in Reno Nv now. I am really pleased with the Avion. I did trade in my Chev 1/2 ton pickup for a 3/4 ton Dodge diesel PU before I left for Alaska. The power is definely needed the the mountains. In 2000 I traveled to Alaska and experienced only one problem a broken spring. That is a good story in itself. I used the Avion to move to Nevada and I have made many trips over the mountain to Calif. to enjoy all the flowers. I had alignment done this year and that was needed. People are still amazed that I can hook up and move out with the best of the guys. The mountain driving is a challenge for anyone. After traveling to Alaska I have recommended that anyone that decides to travel to Skagway to drop the trailer and drive down with the tow vehicle. I still have all the notes I took while talking to you. Thanks for the all the good advice and support. I have wild horses in my valley so life is good. Take care Talk to later. Sherry J..

June 26, 2002 — Folding Doores—Jim Alexander— I am in need of a interior folding door (accordion style) for my 1987 32S.Jim Alexander, 32032 N 69th St, Cave Creek AX 86331-2716. emailjames_alexander@storagetek.comor 480.488.3006. [ I advised Jim that this are commonly available at his local lumberyard (generally custom ordered) and are identical to those wooden accordian doors commonly used for closet doors. If you have other suggestion please Email both of us.DrG].


July 4, 2002 — Upholstery?—Debbie Zeier - zeier57@pacbell.net— We have a 1978 Avion the upholstery is outdated and musty. Any suggestions on replacing them? Thanks.Debbie

July 13, 2002 — CAYO / Avion Campers?—Bill Taylor - WNTaylor@citcom.net— We are looking for Avion slide-in truck camper. Would like any information anyone has as to weight, years of manufacture, or ANY information. Thanks much,Bill Taylor, Rt 1 Box 114 Penrose, NC 28766. Phone 828-877-4435. EmailWNTaylor@citcom.net

1971 Cayo C-11 Dimensions
 Length 14' 10" 
 Width 7' 10" 
 Height 9' 1" 
 Height w/air 9' 10" 
 Interior height 6' 6" 
 Interior length plus 
 52" cab-over 11' 6" 
 Interior Width 7' 7" 
 Weight 2,240
July 16, 2002 — 1970 Avion Imperial—Tim Mitchum - TLM1009@msn.com— Thanks for your email. As I was going through the trailer I found the owners manual. Just to give you a little background on me, I am 28 and live in Des Moines IA. I inherited this trailer from my grandfather about 2 months ago. I am not very well versed in the ins and outs of camper trailers. I am learning though.. The things I have the most questions about are for instance, How do you run the water system with and without the pump? How to properly fill and empty all the good water and bad water? Can the fridge run on propane all the time like when you are driving to keep things cold, just little things like that. If you know of a book or something to give some insights that would be awesome. And yes to answer your question it does have a 3 piece wrap window around in the front. It is in excellent condition with the exception of a water leak which I hope to get fixed soon and the electric brakes. The woodwork is very nice and I can't wait to go camping. Any help you can give me is greatly appreciated. Anything I can do just let me know. Thanks Again. -Tim Mitchum.

July 18, 2002 — Window Clips?—Jeff White - WhiteCap@whidbey.com— We recently purchased a 1963 20 foot Avion. The Jalousie windows are in need of the stainless clips at the bottom of each pane of glass that holds the glass in place. I've been to window stores and RV stores, and can't find them. does anyone know where i can locate these necessary little gems? Thanks,Jeff.

July 20, 2002 — Rolling Toaster—Dik and Lucy Kloko— Please expunge Dik and Lucy Kloko from the Avion owners list on the web site, as we sold our little '62 Tourist this week. The new owners are very enthusiastic about continuing our restoration efforts, and you may be hearing from them. Fixing up and camping in our Avion was a real treat these past four years. A 34' Holiday Rambler trailer will provide ease and comfort in our approaching retirement years, but hasn't the charm of the rolling toaster. We will always be Avioneers at heart. Thank you for providing helpful suggestions and a place where vintage Avion owners could congregate and share information. -Dik and Lucy Kloko

July 23, 2002 — Tire Cover—Craig & Lynn Ashe - ashes@crosslink.net— Recently, while visiting friends in Conn., I had to find a welder to reweld the tire brace on my 1977 22ft. Avion MH. We were lucky that I was transporting bicycles on the back of the MH when the weld broke. Otherwise, some unfortunate motorist may have had a serious accident if the spare tire and carrier had fallen off while traveling up I-95. While I was away from our friends house getting welded, the local trash hauler (a man with an IQ of a gnat) picked up my fiberglass tire cover along with several cans of trash and placed them into his compactor. Although the man offered to pay for the tire cover it still upset me that he took it in the first place due to the fact that it was quite some distance from the trash cans in the garage...oh well. My MH is in excellent condition, no dents scratches and only 49,000 miles. Even the generator only has 75 hours on it. It is (was) in original condition! Is there anyone out there who might know where I can find an original molded tire cover for my 1977 Avion Motor Home? Thanks,Craig Ashe

July 30, 2002 — Tire Cover—Teresa and Gary Tonnemaker - Rusty5y@aol.com— We just purchased an Avion trailer and we are so excited to have found it, we feel lucky that we "stumbled onto it." We thought we wanted an Airstream but now this feels like a much better deal. It was manufactured in 10/78 but on the title the model year is 1979. The title says it is a 35 SC. We don't see that length or body style on your web page so we are not sure what we have. It has 3 axles, a rear bathroom, twin beds, a dinette and kitchen in the middle, and a sofa / two chairs / table in the front living area. The interior is in good to excellent shape, some refurbishing has been done but much is oriiginal. Any info or help would be much appreciated to identify our silver get-away. We are planning to park it on property we just bought rather than tow it around, at least for the immediate future. Your web site is a wonderful resource, thank you for all the info. —Teresa and Gary Tonnemaker rusty5y@aol.com

July 31, 2002 — Reflectors—David Reid—dwreid@hiwaay.net— Greetings, I've reached a dead end on finding replacement reflectors for my '86 30-R. The original reflectors read "Reflect-O-Lite No. 8" but it seems this company has gone out of business. Bergman lists a Reflect-O-Lite No. 8 but the deminsions they gave are not the same as the orginal No 8's. The hole centers I need are about 3" on center, everything so far is around 4". My only other alternative is to go with the newer ones and just use the adhesive stick ons as I don't want to drill new holes. Dismantling the reflectors from the backing isn't an option for cleaning as they are still quite intact and separating the reflector cover from the backing results in cracking. Thanks in advance, oh, these are the oval type refectors, I'm looking for 4 amber and 2 red ones. David Reid—http://home.hiwaay.net/~dwreid/avion—dwreid@hiwaay.net


August 4, 2002 — Camper jacks—Jody Lopez - bbigpiness@hotmail.com— I hope you can help me. I have a 1968 Avion Camper. When I put it on this summer the jacks bent. I don't think I can use them any more. DO you or anyone out there know what I can use to replace them. I don't see how I can use conventional camper jacks as the corners are rounded. Maybe someone has some ideas. Thank you for your help.Jody#17099

August 6, 2002 — Exterior Finish—Gary Price - Gandjprice@aol.com— How do you restore the clear coat finish on a 1972 Avion that is in great shape other than the dull outside appearance. Does it need to be stripped and clearcoated? Will appreciate any info you might have. —Gary Price

August 18, 2002 — Curtains?—Jean Price - GandJPrice@aol.com— THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I can hardly wait to show my husband all this info. Your are so kind to respond to me. I am sure I will be in touch. By the way any suggestions on how to replace the curtins that are on a channel with snap on fasteners? I can make the new ones but the snaps are puzzeling me. Do you have some one who might know? Again Thanks so muchJean Price

August 18, 2002 — Avion Repair?—Steve and Pat Koehn - KoehnTX@cs.com— We are considering purchasing a 1987 34-V Avion. It is in good shape but has a tear or some holes along the upper edge of the lower molding of the front skin right behind the batteries and propane tanks. It almost looks as if someone took a sword and cut across the lower front of the camper skin at the molding line. It is like a rip that is 1/2 to 1 inch open by 4 feet across. The salesman guessed that there was a battery acid leak that "ate" the aluminum. There is no rust along the edges. The salesman suggested that it was more cosmetic than structural and that they could caulk the area. We would rather replace the whole front panel and not risk wind and rain getting in and rotting the wood floor or rusting anything. Anyone have any ideas about how to repair it or the cost to replace the whole front aluminum panel below the window. Great site! A friend has an older Avion that she loves and now we have the bug to buy one. Thanks.Steve and Patat:KoehnTX@cs.com

August 18, 2002 — Water Leak—John D Elliott - JnLElliott@juno.com— I have a water leak in the vicinity of the door of my 1984 Model 30P Avion. It appears not to be coming from the door itself but runs down the forward front edge of the frame and exits at the floor level immediately to the lower edge of the door frame. There has been several attempts to locate the water entry points to include removal and recalling of the curb side window, three new air conditioner seals and resealing of exposed body panel overlaps. Would appreciate any advice or redirection to knowledgeable point of contact. Also, I'm seeking construction diagrams / drawings to assist in locating possible water entry points. —J.D.Elliott

August 18, 2002 — Holding Tank Leak—Porter Johns - bpjohns@accessatc.net— Our 1987 34' has a holding tank which just sprung a leak. Any ideas how to repair this - i.e. what to use, best way to do the repair? Thanks,Porter Johns - bpjohns@accessatc.net

August 19, 2002 — Gas Light Wanted—Dan Holland - dholland@hollandindserv.com— The ad you posted for me worked. A gentleman from Griffin, Georgia knew of a C-11 for sale and we worked out a deal and I bought it and brought it home Saturday the 17th. However the camper I purchased no longer has or didn't have a gas lamp above the heater as some do. I would love to find a working original so if you could modify my ad or replace it I would appreciate that a bunch. If you are not familiar with this it is like a Coleman lantern but is wall mounted and has a heat deflecting shield above it. I got the original owners manual for the camper but it doesn't mention the lantern so I don't know what to properly call it. Thanks,Dan

August 19, 2002 — Monitor Panel Lights—Cecil Metzgar - CGM1234@cox-internet.com— I have a 1985, 30 foot Avion. The lights on the monitor panel ( E - 1/4 - 1-2 - 3/4 - and F) stay on all the time whether the tanks are full or empty. The local service shops have been unable to provide any help. If anyone can give me any information as to what the problem might be, please Email me atCGM1234@cox-internet.com. I will be willing to pay for such information.Cecil Metzgar

August 23, 2002 — 1990 Fifth Wheel Manual—Al Corn - ABCorn@totacc.com— We recently purchased a 1990 5th wheel Avion and are going to need to do some repairs. We would like a copy of an owner's manual if someone has one.Al Corn, 201 Highway 82, Alamogordo, NM 88310 or call toll free @ 1-888-437-2679. EmailABCorn@totacc.com.

August 27, 2002 — Sticky Walls—Lisa Grossnickle - RGrossnickle@neto.com— We have been working on our newly purchased 1978 23-M Avion trailer. I was doing some cosmetic upgrade on the interior and noticed the "sticky" walls referred to on your web site. After cleaning them as recommended, I used a technique I saw on HGTV (all you crafty homemakers know what I'm talking about). You simply apply cotton fabric to the walls with liquid starch. I found it easier to work with smaller pieces at a time and created a "patch work quilt" look. I chose to work with greens and blues and it really complimented the beautiful Avion wood cabinetry. It is like applying wallpaper only easier. It can be as permanent or temporary as you want it to be. When you tire of the fabric just peel it off and wipe your walls with a wet rag! It's really easy and looks great. Lisa Grossnickle.

August 28, 2002 — Door Edging?—Dan Szewczyk - D_Szewcyyk@email.msn.com— I am looking for a source for the vinyl trim that goes around the interior of the door. Mine was badly worn and I removed it when I replaced the gasket. I called Bill at Cayo Campers and he had no source for this material. Any ideas?Dan Szewczyk

August 31, 2002 — Control Panel Displays—C. Sharp - SharpC@earthlink.net— My husband, David, and myself recently purchased a 1964 T-21 Avion camper. We have the manuals for the camper as well as most of the appliances found inside. Carrie & David Sharp

August 31, 2002 — Control Panel Displays—Pat & Kathy Lozon- plozon@execulink.com— We purchased a 28ft 1973 Avion trailer 1 1/2 years ago. Since then, my wife and I have done quite a bit of remodeling within it. I've pretty much fixed up everything except for a couple items. The first item is, of course, the external aluminum. It is a bit oxidized. We live in London, Ontario, near a Can-Am dealership. I believe the only way to restore the look is to have it sprayed by the same clear covering they use on Airstreams - a bit expensive. If anyone has found another way to address this cheaper, let me know. The other item is the display in the upper console in the front. It is supposed to give you a reading on your tank levels. None work and it isn't the light bulbs - I checked all of them. My battery condition is always FAIR - which is wrong, but my POWER lights up when I hook up to 110v so it is partially working. Any ideas about how to fix this problem with my tank levels? Does anyone have an electrical manual? Please e-mail me:plozon@execulink.comif you have some ideas.


September 7, 2002 — 1995 Sales Brochure Wanted—Ken Wilson KWilson@ fessw.com— Just purchased a gently used 1995 Avion 36.5M S/N 1EE5M362459311533. While on a trip this past weekend we found another 36.5M in Seguin, Texas being used for full timing. We have all of the Fleetwood papers but would like a copy of the sales brochure for this model if possible. Thanks,Ken Wilson, Conroe, Texas. Phone: 281-296-7920. Fax: 281-296-7177. EmailKWilson@fessw.com

September 7, 2002 — Alko axles and brakes—Lowry Brown - Larry Brown@hotmail.com— I have a 1989 28’ Avion Travelcader with suspension and brake problems. The trailer has tandem Alko rubber torsion arm suspension. Unknown to me the trailer had a bent trailing arm when I purchased it. That axle was replaced as well as another one, and there is a bent axle now. Also the brakes are extremely hard to modulate. If I adjust them for moderate braking they tend to lock up under hard braking. Has anyone had similar experience with the Alko axles. Does anyone have any suggestios? I am considering changing the railer over to spring suspensison. Thanks for your help. -Lowry Brown, Telephone 810-629-7924. Email:LowryBrown@hotmail.com.

September 7, 2002 — 5th Wheel Propane Tanks—Marvin McClain - MarvinMcClain@msn.com— I have a 1991 Avion 5th wheel, my propane tanks were stolen are these tanks available 30lb vertical mount with electronic sending unit for remote indicator lights?? If so where?Marvin McClain - MarvinMcClain@msn.com.

September 9, 2002 — Model number for Suburban Furnace— Ron_Schuman@entegris.com— I need to replace the pilot on my furnace but am unable to find the model number of the furnace. I own a 1973 Avion Ultra 28' and the furnace brand is a suburban. The pilot kept blowing out from the wind blowing in the vent so I took it off with the intent to replace it. Now no one can tell me what kind of pilot to use without a model number of the furnace. If anyone has had to deal with this same problem or can tell me where to look on my furnace for a model number, it would be much appreciated. (9/9/2002).Ron Schuman, Voice: 719.528.2781, Cell: 719.331.1432.
Suggestion:September 10, 2002—Neal_Stultz@suburbanmanufacturing.com— Regarding the 1973 furnace, pilot type, Suburban model serial plate on 73 model year should be found by removing the front cabinet cover, looking into the front of the combustion chamber heater assembly a information model and serial number plate should be on the left hand side. Please contact your local qualified gas service technician or log onto to our web sitewww.rvcomfort.comfor the nearest recommended service center to your location. Replacement parts are no longer available for pilot type furnaces in this model year, if information is or assistance is needed for choosing a replacement furnace please have your service tech contact me at our factory service dept. phone 423-775-2131 ext. 2. ThanksNeal

September 9, 2002 — Update on the Avion— Ken and Debbie Zeier - Zeier57@pacbell.net— Hello, We are still working on the 1978 Avion. Here is the update: the pull out sofa is reupholstered, it turned out very nice. We had someone come out and check it over, the gas water heater doesn't work but there is an electric box under the bed that heats the water, there is a light switch by the bed that turns it on. The faucet on the sink leaks and needs to be replaced and the ceiling fan covers need to be replaced. Easier said than done, after running all over town on a wild goose chase, I realize that the coverings on the ceiling are extinct. They make them smaller now. It seems Fleetwood who made these did things differently and everything seems to be a specialty item. I have the name of a Fleetwood dealer it is about 2 hours from here. I can't find a faucet either, it is a single mount with no base. The refrigerator died, we got a new one, but that didn't work because we needed a battery we got a 12 volt dc transformer to plug in ,hope that does the trick. The good news is the lights all work we got the heater working after clearing a lot of mudhen nests from it. Every time the man working on it turned it on it would make a popping noise and dirt would fly out of it, but he finally got it working. I think it is about 30 ft long. We are slowly but surely getting it working I'm making new curtains. After all this work ,once we get our house built we will have to take it on a trip before we sell it. Our children think it is great and get very upset at the idea of selling it. We'll take pictures in the next few weeks and send them. You had sent me an e-mail address of someone who knew the ins and outs of these and who could possibly help us find parts, I can't find it could you please send it again. Thanks a lot.Debbie and Ken Zeier

September 15, 2002 — Avion Camper Rebuild—Gene Gruender - RainbowChaser@ev1.net— You'd asked me to take pictures, etc, as I work on my truck camper. This is the one I got from the antique trailer dealer in Indiana). Well, I've started and I'll try to document it as I go and post it on a web page. I've started both working and posting, and here's the address: http://users2.ev1.net/~rainbowchaser/avion/avion.html Feel free to post it on your website as you feel appropriate. I don't know how much time I'll have to work in it, but I'll post pictures, progress and thoughts as I go.Gene Gruender, Austin, TX. — Pictures of this project are posted athttp://users2.ev1.net/~rainbowchaser/avion/avion.html

September 19, 2002 — Clips For bathroom mirrors—Rick Helms - wms@socket.net—I received this back in July but without AVION in the message or the body I misplaced it for which I apologize. DrG]— We have a 1985 34 V. The bathroom has two mirrors on the front of the medicine cabinet that swing up. They are held closed by a plastic clip mounted to the cabinet at the center bottom of each mirror. One clip has failed and the other can't be far behind. Anybody have a source for an obscure need such as this? Thanks. Rick Helms.


October 1, 2002 — Alko Axles —Lowery Brown - LowryBrown@hotmail.com— I have a 1989 28’ Avion Travelcader with suspension and brake problems. The trailer has tandem Alko rubber torsion arm suspension. Unknown to me the trailer had a bent trailing arm when I purchased it that axle was replaced as well as another one, and there is a bent axle now. Also the brakes are extremely hard to modulate. If I adjust them for moderate braking they tend to lock up under hard braking. Has anyone had similar experience with the Alko axles. Does anyone have any suggestions? I am considering changing the trailer over to spring suspensison. Lowery Brown. AC 810-629-7924

October 31, 2002 — Avion Adventures—Pat and Steve Koehn - KoehnTx@cs.com— The trailer was up on a steep mountain. The road used to put it in position 2 years ago was gone as the house was built there. So getting it off the steep site took all day and a 4 wheel drive truck. There were trees to miss and muddy slick ground due to the rains from the last hurricane storm that went through a few days before. We thought the trailer might roll down the mountain at one time it was tipping so far. But it finally made it to a gravel road where we could hook it to our truck. We could not find tires in the small Virginia town and surrounding towns, so drove it slowly down the Blue Ridge Parkway (Max. 45 mi/hr allowed on the parkway and almost no other vehicles on the road) to Asheville, NC, to my Dad's home. We took it the next day for 5 new Goodyear Marathon Radial trailer tires, and had a new rear bumper fabricated as the original one was badly rusted with several large holes. Tires rims were in good shape so did not have to buy new ones. We did clean and grease the bearings before we moved the trailer off the mountain - a messy job but not bad and we saw that the electric brakes were in good condition. Initially the trailer looked pretty rough as it was green with algae, parked in the trees. After about $12 at the spray it yourself car wash, it is really quite shiny. There are only a few very small dings in the outer skin. All of the black and white striped Zip Dee awnings are intact. The largest on the door side needs a replacement part, that we have ordered this week. The awnings had not been opened in over 2 years, so had several large wasp nests under them, but the car wash pressure washer got rid of them and cleaned the fabric. The inside is in pretty good shape with probably the original refrigerator and stove. They look good and work. The wood cabinets were dry so I orange-oiled them. Only found one dead mouse in the trailer and have cleaned up his droppings and nest. Mattresses seem fairly new, have pillow tops and no stains or tears. Front sofa bed looks pretty good and has a few support boards that need to be screwed into place. They had only been nailed and had fallen off. We rewired the tongue, as there were spliced wires and many connectors hanging about. Brake and blinker lights worked. We redid the wiring in the back lights as there was a fried wire and melted connector inside one of the lenses. Most lights in the trailer work. I'm replacing burned out bulbs and have a few more to do before I'll know that all the lights are working. The trailer has a door bell that works! The floor had been recarpeted some time ago with an indoor/outdoor looking blue-green berber that has some stains. We want to tear it out and install tile. We may have to replace some of the floor wood as we saw some fill in plaster under the edge of a carpet we pulled back a bit. Considering the trailer is almost 30 years old, we expected it will need some work. We have a trip planned for early November, so won't do the floors yet. We have been home just a week checking out everything. This week we will be checking out the water systems. I've washed all of the curtains and am tackling the venetian blinds. They are metal mini blinds - dusty and dirty. Windows are all intact as are mirrors on the walls at the head of the beds, and on some doors. Tub looks good - no cracks. Two of the window cranks don't pull the windows tight and a third doesn't work at all, so we will need to replace the round handles and brackets, probably. The front window cover appears relatively new, it is black and in perfect condition - no cracks. Spare tire cover is also black and in good shape. We received the owners manual with all brochures for all appliances AND we also have the original advertising color brochure, 11 X 17, all about the trailer, listing all specifications, options that were available, etc. It showed long shag carpeting and the same marbled mirrors we have at the head of the beds. The metal plaque says 6/73 and Serial Number 73-L-31211, Benton Harbor, Michigan. From what we were told, the trailer was in a trailer park for 10 years and the most recent owner had it 2 years while she built her home. More later as we check further. Thanks for your advice so far, we have used it. Pat and Steve Koehn



November 21, 2002 — Avion Camper Project—Tom DeArk- TDeArk@juno.com— The web site outlining the restoration of my Avion truck camper is up and running athttp://www.geocities.com/silveravion/. Tom DeArk

November 24, 2002 — Plugged Holding Tank—AnaAlvin@aol.com— We have a 1998 avion fifth wheel, which has been wonderful. But our toilet-holding tank (40 gal) is severely plugged and we need some serious advice on how to unplug it. Thank you!! — AnaAlvin@aol.com— Another owner recommends you pour in ฝ of a 3# box ofRid-Xand some water and let it sit for a couple of weeks. The bacteria will eat everything up and turn it to liquid!


A interesting RV Site that I came across from an email was Barb & Bill's RV Page - http://www.bbrv.dreamstation.com


December 8, 2002— Very interesting article about the prospective foreign RV tourist planning a US tour some guidance that they won't find easily elsewhere. Check it outhttp://members.fortunecity.com/deguru/USA2002/Planning.htm. Very good advise for the American Tourist as well.

December 12, 2002— http://www.geocities.com/silveravion/, was changed today with updated main page, updatedQ and A page, added'Other Avions the Author has Owned' page, and added more photos.Tom DeArk.

December 29, 2002— Gene Gruender— Thought you might be interested in how the truck camper is coming along. Each time I thought I was going back together, I ended up taking more apart. I now know I'm going back together, because there is NOTHING left to take apart! It's at —:http://users2.ev1.net/~rainbowchaser/avion/avion.html

December 29, 2002—Paul Prather— I have put a web page up for viewing on the avion repairs that Cayo's performed after our big crash last September. I thought others might find this interesting if you care to post it on your site. Incredibably three of us in the truck walked away from this accident. The truck tumbled sideways two rotations.Paul Prather— http://www.geocities.com/avionguy2000/MY_AVION.html

December 31, 2002—Paul Prather— Dr. G asked me to supply more information on our accident so here I go. In September we were involved in an accident that involved our AVION and 2001 YUKON XL. No other vehicles were involved. As we were merging on I271 near Medina, OH. The trailer started fish-tailing violently at the bottom of the ramp. This was like nothing we had experience before. Our trailer has always tracked so true behind us that even a semi passing caused no problems. When a trailer fish tails it normally builds momentum slowly. In this case momentum was immediate. My theory is that there was a defective weld on the platform. Unfortunately the receiver and most of the platform were never found. This incident occurred so quickly there was no time to manually apply the trailer brakes. In fact the pin was likely already pulled on the break switch as we found the skid marks of the trailer tires for quite a distance from the entrance to the ditch along the road. Later Chuck Cayo discovered that all four magnets on the brakes had burned out. The ditch along the road was a deep and wide V-Shaped ditch that was very mucky, The trailer ended up in the ditch perfectly parallel. The muck stopped it quickly and likely saved it by reducing the damage and preventing a roll-over. The truck flipped over two complete rotations perpendicular to the ditch. I think that either the hitting the ditch propelled us or the torque of the 1000 lb. equalizer bars caused the truck to flip. The ride in the truck was surreal. It was dusk and the headlights lit the reeds in the ditch as we rolled. We rolled sideways and perpendicular in the ditch. At the end of the roll we were in an upright position with the front of the truck facing the highway. This means that the truck flipped two times side to side and once around. Several things prevented any serious injury to my wife (seatbelt), son (no seat belt), and myself (seatbelt). The hood and rear of the Yukon were propped on the sides of the ditch. The deep bottom of the ditch prevented the roof from collapsing on us. Secondly, the side to side rolling prevented the tool boxes from moving forward. Instead one of the two exited through the side window. My diamond plated box appeared not to even move. I am definitely going to re-think how many tools I really need and how I will transport them. The most fortunate thing of all was that the propane bottles did not explode. One of them was full of propane and had a large dent in it. If that baby had blown the shrapnel would likely have killed all of us. None of us were hurt and in fact we did not even take a ride to the hospital for observation. My wife had a seatbelt burn on her neck and her knee hit the dashboard because she is only five foot one. She also had the contents of my son's coke can spilled on her. Naturally we were all so grateful that we had our health but it was heart breaking to see our truck and especially our Avion dragged from the mud. Our trailer had all of the memories we had accumulated since we bought it new in 1987. We have five children that enjoyed many happy times vacationing and traveling with myself on business for extended periods in the summer. The insurance company declared the truck a total loss due to its roll-over. The trailer was a more difficult item to resolve. What would it cost to fix it? What is it worth? I ended up really doing most of the research for the insurance company to arrive at a fair settlement. In the end the estimate that CAYO had for repairs was about $1000 more than the agreed upon market value of the trailer. The trailer was therefore declared a total loss by the insurance company. We began to look at similar units to ours. We soon realized that we could not replace what we had because of the emotional attachment we had for our unit. We decided we should have CAYO fix our trailer even though we would need to invest more money. I purchased the trailer by having $300 subtracted from our settlement and turning the title into a salvage title. A copy of the salvage title was sufficient for the insurance company. To convert a salvage title back again In Ohio, you pay $50 to the State Police Department in Columbus. They issue an inspection coupon. After repairs, the trailer can be inspected at any patrol post for road worthiness. Once approved the title can be converted back to a regular title and the trailer can then by insured. With no tow vehicle and a damaged coupler I asked Chuck Cayo if he would come down to Cleveland to pick up our trailer. This was done quickly to beat the winter weather. We then visited CAYO and did a walk around and walk through with Chuck to agree on a strategy on what should and should not be repaired. One of the things that Chuck pointed out was that it was much easier for them to work with the owner directly since the insurance companies demand that everything be put back into place in the exact way before the accident. We were very fortunate because Chuck Cayo found the trailer not to require as much work as he had originally estimated based on the photos I had sent to him. In the end we paid only about $500 more and did a lot of extra things we had wanted to accomplish (and never got to it) We did not replace the aluminum bottle cover. This item alone cost several hundreds of dollars and is a pain in the neck. We needed to rework the old bottles anyway since we had not yet converted the valves. We purchased two new bottles so they would match each other and comply with current regulations. We also had a new rock guard installed on the front window. Ours had gotten really brittle. We decided we would also put a rock guard on the rear window. Our trailer has the curved glass and it is no longer available. We did not want to accidentally back into an object that would cause real problems. Those of you that have the curved windows have probably been frustrated with the window awnings Carefree uses in this application. Side panels must be snapped to the trailer and the main roll down awning. You cannot reach these snaps from the ground and they are very tightly adjusted hold in the wind. Consequently we often did not use the side panels. This causes major heat gain in the summer sun. We figure with the rear rock we can betilted to prevent much of the heat gain entering through the curved sides. Chuck removed the snaps from the trailer and riveted the holes. You cannot tell the snaps were ever there. In addition we had the trailer cleaned and perma coated. This will help with our upkeep but it also allows the new and old aluminum to blend together better. Chuck also helped with some previous damage at the wheel wells by cutting the openings higher and putting awning rail along the top. Now we can easily operate a tire curtain when we are spending some time at a resort. All of these things and the transportation costs cost only $500 more than the settlement. I still must replace the hitch, sway bar, and equalizer. This will add another $700. We could not be happier. We have our health, the trailer looks better than before the accident, and our new Yukon will only cost $20 a month more due to the 0% financing we are taking advantage of this month. God has truly blessed us. I am only 51 and have a lot of miles left in me before it will be time to stop my Avion adventures. God Bless,Paul Prather#14498. E-mailto:PPrather@bccumc.org— http://www.geocities.com/avionguy2000/MY_AVION.html

December 31, 2002— Harvery Barlow— Sent excellent comments onBrakesand Shock Absorberreplacement. Click to see those in the repair section.and a URL for a Dodge dealer who sells new Dodge trucks at invoice price (dealer cost) and will provide a copy of the invoice. The dealer is legitimate. They are located in Southern OK.   http://www.markroberts.com.   Any of your website browsers looking for a new Dodge might be interested. —Harvery Barlow


January 4, 2003 — Burt Riviere— 1976 Travelcade 27' Have complete factory manuals and sales brocure. I'm also looking for parts for same. I was looking for the original style "AVION" rock shield....I made one like it out of melium for our trips to Baja. Also the 17 x 17 vent lid. I see that both are available from the OEM shop in Michigan. You have a most interesting web site, full of information. We were looking for a 25' Airstream and fell upon a little used all original 27' Travelcade under snow, in the back of a large RV co. lot in Denver for $2300.00; and could not pass it up! We felt that it was better built than the Airstream! Everything worked fine after we learned the systems and winterizing of the water systems that had been done. We have it completely refurbished (new oak parquet flooring; drapes; seats covers and much elbow later) and we leave soon for Mexico and Belize with it behind a Chevrolet Suburban. If you can think of any PM that we should do, please let us know. Grease the axle bearing, etc? It has the MORide" suspension.....dependable? I even have the original warranty cards, marketing brochures, manuals, etc. Everything was original, except the orange shag carpet had been removed and replaced with green in-out carpet! — Burt Riviere- Burtriviere@aol.com
Reply Jan 4, 2003: — Tom Johnson— I have a few suggestions, most of which you will already be aware of if you are going with a caravan company. I had a 1966 27' Avion until I bought the 1986 35' that we still use. For that type of trip, you need to be sure the tires on that trailer are not old and dry rotted. They can look good and have good tread, but come apart in a hurry on some of the roads you will be on before you get to Belize. To know the age of the tires age check: http://www.tireindustry.org/cts/know2.html. [link no longer works: but from another link. The TIN is located only on the inside sidwall of each tire. The U.S. DOT Tire Identification Number (TIN) begins with the letters “DOT” and indicates that the tire meets all federal standards. The next two numbers or letters are the plant code designating where it was manufactured, the next two are the tire size code and the last four numbers represent the week and year the tire was built. For example, the numbers 317 mean the 31st week of 1997. After 2000 the numbers go to four digits. For example, 2501 means the 25th week of 2001. The numbers in between are identification codes used for traceability. This information is used to contact customers if a tire defect requires a recall. [DrG} The MoRide system should be in good condition, but another check that may be in order is brakes and wheel bearings. When jacked up to repack the bearings, it's a good time to apply the brakes and make sure there are working brakes on each wheel. The wires do break just behind the backing plate where they are spliced together. If brake parts are needed, it may be just as inexpensive to replace to whole brake assembly, including the backing plate, as to just replace the pads and magnets. Was for me anyway. I replaced all mine this past summer before taking a Canadian Maritime Travelcade.   You will need Mexican Liability insurance and most likely Belize insurance unless you are going to camp in Mexico and take a tour bus into Belize. You will need a passport to enter Belize whether on a tour bus or driving. If you are not going with a tour group, it's best to get into a campground well before dark, and not be on the road after sundown, when it's harder to see everything that is on the road, including broke down vehicles.   We are meeting in Pharr, TX 02/01/2003 for a trip to Mexico City and then back up the Gulf coast, and have been updating the "what to do" list ourselves. We will be going on an Avion Travelcade run by Adventure Caravans. Have fun on your trip!   Tom Johnson  —http://www.geocities.com/tomj_ga/—http://www.geocities.com/aviontravelcade/—
Reply Jan 4, 2003: — Harvery Barlow— I would remove the wheels and tires and have all new (light truck) LT7.00 x 15" 6 ply or 8 ply rated (load range C or D) bias ply truck tires installed. Radials are preferable for highway cruising but the old style bias ply truck tires have much stiffer sidewalls which will withstand bruising from rocks and objects in the road. It is very easy to puncture the sidewalls of radial tires. Keep the tires inflated to 45 or 50 psi. Also purchase an identical tire for your spare wheel, two spares if you have or can locate another wheel. Do not, I repeat, do not use the original tires on the trailer. I guarantee you they are old and will blow out even if they show good tread. Trailer tire blowouts almost always result in major damage to the side of the trailer and the cabinets under the sink or couch/bed. Age is the worst enemy of RV tires. Replace them now and don't replace them with cheap passenger car tires from a discount store or discount tire store. SAM's Club is a good source. They have catalogs and can special order the tires I suggest. Goodyear Workhorse is a good example of the tires I recommend. Farm stores are another good source for the tires I suggested. Replace or have a qualified RV mechanic replace, not clean or adjust, all four electric brakes. It is cheaper and wiser to purchase new "loaded brake backing plates" which come complete with new brake shoes, brake magnets, springs, clips, adjusters, etc. They can be purchased for approximately $45/ wheel fromSouth West Wheel http://www.southwestwheel.comor other cargo/utility/horse trailer dealers if you're a do-it-yourselfer. They will be more expensive from an RV dealer. Have the wheel bearings removed, cleaned, inspected, and, if they are still in good shape, pack or have them packed with high temperature wheel bearing grease. Install new hub seals and put it all back together. Make sure the lug nuts are all torqued to about 85-95 pounds and check them again after towing 50-100 miles. Check to make sure all four trailer brakes operate correctly. To answer your question, the MorRyde or rubber torsion suspension is very dependable. Purchase and install one or two new RV deep cycle batteries. If you haven't already done so, have a competent LP gas or propane dealer replace the valves in your LPG bottles with OPD valves. It is now against the law in most states to refill old LPG cylinders which have not been converted to OPD. It would be wise to replace the LPG regulator and hoses now before you begin your trip. Old ones usually leak and are dangerous as well as prone to allowing your LPG to escape. If you have not already done so, take at least one, preferably two short weekend trips pulling the trailer and spending the weekend in it. Thoroughly check out all of the systems while you are close to home. Inspect the trailer's seven pin male connector to the truck and inspect running lights, brake lights, and turn signals. I assume your tow vehicle is equipped with a trailer towing package? It must have at least a hitch receiver platform mounted on the rear frame, a female seven pin receptacle at the rear, and a trailer brake controller mounted near the driver. You must have a hitch head, trunnion (spring or weight equalizing bars), and a good sway control of your choice) I prefer the Reese brand dual cam hitch assembly with built in sway control but other brands and friction sleeve type sway controls are also satisfactory. Pay particular attention to the LPG heating furnace (a smoke detecter and CO detector would be smart buys), the cooking range, and water heater. Also checkout the fresh water tank, water pump, holding tank(s), dump and valves. If your trailer does not have a gray (sink and bath) water tank as well as a black (sewer) water tank, you will need a "blue boy." A blue boy is a slang name for a large blue plastic tank on wheels with RV sewer connections. It can be used to trap sink and bath waste water when parked in older trailers which are not equipped with gray water tanks and can be wheeled to the dump station for emptying before you move on. Make sure the trailer's AC-DC electrical converter is working to supply 12 volt dc power to your lighting circuits and water pump as well as charging your battery(ies) when you are connected to 110 volt power. Your original owners manual is a good source of a checklist for the things you will want to take along. Read it carefully and if you don't understand any of the suggestions, ask an experienced RVer. I hope this helps you prepare for a safe and enjoyable trip. Harvery Barlow - HarveyBarlow@sbcglobal.net—
Reply Jan 5, 2003: — Tom DeArk— Yes I would definitely pack the wheel bearings and install new seals. I can't make suggestions as to what you should do because I've not traveled in Mexico and Belize, but can only relate the things that I did when traveling in the USA with an older Avion trailer. One of the first things that I did before leaving on a long trip was to give the trailer a thorough inspection particularly the suspension, coupler, and electrical systems. In my Avion I always carried a spare set of wheel bearings, wheel bearing grease, and grease seal, a complete brake assembly including a hub/drum with the six bolt pattern, a jack and lug wrench sufficient to change a flat if necessary, a small assortment of hand tools, and enough 12V electric items (bulbs, wire, wiring connectors, fuses, electrical tape, test light, multi tester, etc.) to take care of minor problems. I also carried a spare thermocouple for the water heater (or furnace), and an assortment of small miscellaneous hardware items. I hope this info helps and gives you some ideas. —Tom DeArk— Avion Travelcade Club - KY Unit #13639 E-mail:TDeArk@juno.com


January 5, 2003 — DrG— Other Interesting Email— Just want you wanted to hear right: Sign up for more Email? Well . . ... not actually.   I did and I enjoy reading the emails and articles fromhttp://www.RVtraveler.com/. They will email you the current issue twice a month to your email address or you can view it online. The current issue is:issue40. When I get the email I go to their web site as I like reading it there. Good tips and articles and lots of variety. Some issues are more interesting than other issues but I always read something of interest in every issue Try it you'll like it. —RVtraveler.com. —DrG


January 23, 2003— Shower Pan Needed?— Greg Hempstead - SpankeyBear@hotmail.com— Hello my name is Greg Hempstead and I believe I have a 64 T-24-H travel coach. It came with no papers. Purchased it from a salvage yard. Unfortunately it was gutted except for the bathroom. So I'm redoing it to 2003 standards, except for the bathroom. Which is perfect except the shower pan is cracked a bit. Can you get a new pan. How would one clean the outside so it's clean and has a mirror finish. And photos of the outside, there are some gadgets and ghost of things that I would love to replace of figure out how to utilize them. Thank you for any help, info or photos.Greg Hempstead


February 3, 2003— Basement Door Needed?—Rod Price - mnrprice@hotmail.com— The right front basement door needs to be replaced. 1990 38-M Fifth Wheel Basement Model. Orignal door not available. Is there anyplace to buy one? Thanks —Rod Price


February 8, 2003— New Owner — Rol Murrow - Rol.Murrow@wolf-aviation.org— Dear Indiana Unit Avion message board denizens - I have enjoyed reading through all the information. I saw plenty of useful tips, especially as I am buying a 1978 Avion 30-R with center bath from its original owner. He bought it thinking it would be used more often but ended up only taking a half dozen trips over all these years. It has mostly been sitting in Southern California and kept in clean condition. I plan to service it and replace the tires and old propane tanks, then move it to a friend's ranch in northern New Mexico for the time being, where it will be my hideaway when I visit him. Not having a dedicated tow vehicle yet, I would enjoy hearing any tips on where in the L.A. area to rent a tow vehicle for a week and what to look for. The trailer comes with an EZ lift hitch system and anti sway bar. I am also looking for an online service and repair manual for an Avion closer to that year. My thanks to all who took the time to post all these tips! You have given me a great head start on my research!   Rol Murrow


February 8, 2003— New Owner — Greg Smith - Greg.Smith@rbc.com— Unfortunately my father in law passed away in November, he has a Avion trailer that is permanently set up at a site in northern Ontario and has an add a room built on, I am unsure of the year but would assume it was built sometime in the 70,s based on pictures of other units. The unit has a set of bunk beds in the rear and a single bed across from it, I am not familiar with trailers but I need to find out quickly how to open it up in the spring (remove antifreeze) and how to winterize it in the fall. Any information would be greatly appreciated as I will be responsible for the trailer going forward. There is a pump underneath the single bed and some controls above the couch at the front t of the trailer. — Greg Smith - Greg.Smith@rbc.com.
— In the Spring all that is necessary is connect the trailer to a water supply with a water supply (white) hose or else fill the water tank. Check that the water drain valves are closed on the fresh water tanks and the drain plug is re-installed back in side of the water heater. Check that the bypass valves are open at the water heater (otherwise there will be no water going into the water heater). If you are on a hose just turn on the water as the pressure comes from the water supply. If not on a hose then turn on the pump and pump out the antifreeze (if any) in the lines and the traps and you are ready to go. Many owners will add a cup of bleach into the water in their fresh water tank and fill everything with the mixture and let it sit for a while to let the bleach mixturecleanand purify anything that may be in the tank or the water lines, then flush with fresh water. Unfortunately the owners manual does not show the exact location of the drain valves on the fresh water tank but it is generally located under the floor. Follow the water line from the pump (under the bed) to where it goes throught he floor and if you reach down you can generallylocate the tank drain valve. They are slightly different in each year and model of coach. Be sure you have water in the lines and in the water heater before turning on the water heater. Most owners have both gas and electric. If you have a gas only water heater consider installing a Hott-Rodd electric heating elemetn (it installs in the drain plug. — DrG


February 28, 2003 —Tom Johnson - TomJ_ga@att.net— Mexico Tip Details— We just returned from our trip to Mexico, beginning February 1st, so I have listed some of what we encountered on the trip. We are both doing fine, and will leave again in 2 weeks to go to Myrtle Beach for a rally with our camping club. Just some brief observations about RV travel in Mexico. The roads vary from smooth surface with little or no shoulders to so rough that it's smoother to get off into the ditches and drive. I saw this all along a 50 mile stretch of road that took over 8 hours to drive. There was a local bus that pulled out just in front of me when I got to this stretch of road, and when we exited that stretch, he was still only 2 vehicles ahead of me, because even he could make no time on that road. The toll roads are expensive, but a real time saver, where available. I averaged paying about 26 cents US a mile for using them. Gasoline was 2.23 US per gallon and diesel was considerably higher. I never multiplied it out because I was using gas. You could get a truck washed for 20 Pesos in most places and a 5th wheel trailer and truck washed for 50 pesos. The drivers are aggressive, but do give you a space if you just hold out a hand palm up in a pleading fashion. The food was good in every place we ate except those in the tourist areas where they tried to cook food like they thought you were accustomed to eating. The average cost per meal was around $4 to $5 US. The best meal was at an Indian village about 10 miles off the highway up the side of the mountain on a single track dirt road. Don't ask what all of it was, but they used corn meal in everything, even to coat the chicken they cooked over an open pit fire. One item was corn meal placed inside a wet corn shuck that had some type vegetables rolled inside. Another serving was rolled in a green banana leaf, that tasted great, but could not begin to find out what it was. The older people in the village speak mostly their native language, but the children are now being taught both their native language and Spanish. We used the local water as needed our whole trip. As usual, I did run it all through filters and then into the fresh water tank and added chlorine. We never had a sign of the bugs getting into our systems. The Paso was trading at between 10.75 and 10.87 our whole trip. Some of the street venders wanted US dollars at 1 to 10 pesos, but we only used Mexican money while there. I never knew there were so many pyramids in Mexico to climb to the top of, walk around and go through in the exploratory tunnels that had been dug in some of them. We visited pyramids in 3 separate locations, and was told that there are most likely 50 sites with some type of pyramids. The Green Angels escorted us through Mexico city from the NW to the SE, and it was good we had them along. According to my trip map it is 79 miles between the 2 campgrounds, but because of construction and other detours we traveled 118 miles and were stopped by local police a couple of times. It only took the Green Angel stepping out of the lead rig to get us back on the road again. What was a big surprise to us is, things are much more expensive down in Mexico as compared to the border towns we have been use to shopping in. This was true even at the places were the product was being made. I use decorative ceramic tile for some handicraft, and I can buy the same tile, made by the same manufacturer, in Atlanta for less than half the cost at the factory outlet. Finally, the people were very friendly and I saw none of the desperadoes you here people tell about uncle Henry's, friends, brother having a run in with. Some ask for a few more details on where we went in Mexico, so here they are. We crossed the border at Pharr, TX. From there we went across to Monterey and then down to Saltilla, where we stopped for the night. We were already above 6,000 feet. The next stop was in Zacatecas for 2 nights. Here we stayed in an enclosed grass parking lot of a hotel with no hook-ups. The next stop was in San Miguel for 3 nights in a "full service" campground behind another hotel. This is a large city without a single traffic light, and few police directing traffic. The streets are very narrow with cars parked on both sides and 2 way traffic weaving in and out taking turns getting down the streets. What a nightmare when you are not use to 1 and 2 inch clearance on all corners. We toured a silver mine while here. The next stop was Tepotzontlan about 25 miles north of Mexico City. This was in a nice campground and was our base camp for 4 nights while we explored Mexico City and pyramids in the area. The only way I would travel in Mexico City would be by bus or taxi, and there are plenty of both at reasonable prices. BTW, all our trips except moving from one campground to the next was buy either tour bus or city bus. The pollution is horrible in that whole area and vehicles are restricted from entering the city on certain days according to the tag number, with very stiff fines for violating the rules. We did see a great musical review in Mexico City that was native dancers representing all the states of Mexico. From here we moved to Puebla with water and electric hook-ups. We had the Blue Angles as escort on this move because part of the trip was in the restricted zone. Here we visited more pyramids and went to some of the tile and porcelain factories in the area. The volcano that recently spewed a few rocks and ash was visible from the campground and was billowing a strong flow of smoke while we were there. The next more was to Veracruz, where we finally got out of the mountains. Veracruz is the Riviera for the Mexicans in the summer, so it's wall to wall hotels and good places to eat. We were camped behind one of the larger hotels right on the beaches of the Gulf of Mexico. The next move was up to the Costa Esmeralda area where we again were camped in a full service campground right on the Gulf. The restaurant in the campground prepared dinner to order with 2 hours notice, and was one of the best meals on the trip. After just one night we moved on up the cost to Poza Rica for 2 nights. From here is where we went west by bus into the mountains to visit the Indian Village and more pyramids. These were completely different looking piles of stone from any of the others we had seen, with a lot more detailing in the stone work. The next night was in another hotel parking lot just north of Tampico. Here we had a pot luck dinner where we cooked and ate all the food items that can't be brought back into the US. The final night was in LaPesca. This 49 mile trip is where we had to worst roads of the trip. We had a great farewell dinner at the campground. This campground is also on the Gulf with some hookups. From there we came back in at Pharr. It took 4 hours to clear customs. 1st we had to stop at Mexican customs and get them to remove our vehicle import stickers and then wait in line to get a receipt that we had turned them in. Don't dare leave Mexico without that signed and stamped receipt. One couple on our trip had been down a couple of years before and they didn't follow proper procedures. It cost them a $200 fine and quite a delay when they got the import papers going in. They most likely would have been detained if they had not been with a caravan. After finally clearing Mexican customs, the traffic was backed up all the way across the bridge to US customs, a distance of several miles. Once we finally reached US customs, they entered the trailer and looked in the refrigerator and we were on our way home. We had a great time, saw lots of things we never knew existed in Mexico, met lots of very friendly people and just over all had a good time. That said, at our advanced ages, we most likely will never make another trip to the interior of Mexico. —TomJ

April 12, 2003 — Gregory T. Hicks - GregH@thuntek.net— New Owner— I have just purchased a 1964 T-20 Avion, number 1790. I have a complete manual, plus all original documents such as the manual, guarantee, Duo-Therm service bulletin, Sani-Ware toilet manual, Coleman wall furnace instructions, Armstrong Tire leaflet/guarantee, Braund Mfg. Co. TV antenna instructions, NorCold Refrigerator installation instructions, Magic Chef range info, Humphrey Products gas light leaflet, Fliteway Sales tank assembly, General Controls thermostat specifications, Unica shower instructions, Bowen Gas Water Heater Division manual, and a few other miscellaneous documents. I am very willing to copy or scan any of these documents for others who would find them useful. I am brand new to Avion and camping trailers. My wife bought it because it was so cute. I know nothing at this time about the unit, so I am interested in getting any information I can. First, I am interested in knowing the weight of the trailer, both empty and loaded with water. None of the documents seem to give any specifications such as this. Your website is the most valuable resource I have yet found. Are there others? I have not found a site for the Rocky Mountain Division, but I will contact them by phone or mail. Any help you can give me will be much appreciated. —Gregory T. Hicks, 400 San Pasquale SW, Albuquerque, New Mexico 87104-1135 (505) 843-8780. Email: GregH@thuntek.net.


May 2, 2003 —Robert Halenda - RHalenda@vailresorts.com— New Owner with Manuals— I've just purchased a 1975 28' La Grande Avion travel trailer, hauled it 2500 miles in four days, and love it. It has the original manual and a brochure or instructions on every thing in it,...the air conditioner, the refrigerator, the furnace, the toilet, the electric jack, the stove, the hot water heater, and the antenna. I'd be happy to share. The trailer is a gem and I'm learning as I go, for example...don't believe the seller when he tells you he greased the wheel bearings. —Robert Halenda, "The Sojourner", Keystone, Colorado
May 2, 2003 — The Avion I bought was posted on the Airstream Classifieds and I've been looking at Airstreams for over two years. My mother at 98 had fallen and recovered but I had the pleasure of caring for her for seven months. When she died in February. I returned for the funeral. Several days later I discovered this Avion on the Internet and arranged to see it. It was a brilliantly cold day and I drove the rental car four hours to a town south of Buffalo, New York When I saw the trailer, I began to get excited, envisioning countless journeys. Then we went inside to a '70s time warp. It was very clean, real wood everywhere showing little wear and the son of the owner said everything worked! On the fully extended table were the Owner's Manuals and the brochure or instructions for each appliance or system in a three ring binder. We agreed on the price and he would have three new Nankang ST tires added to the one new. I couldn't believe my good fortune, gave him a deposit of five hundred dollars and drove back to Scranton. The intervening weeks were filled with calls and e-mails. I confirmed the tires and asked that if possible, the wheel bearings would be checked. In April, I drove my Ford F-250, Supercab, Super Duty, super diesel superbly back East for Easter with my brothers, our first without Mom. On Holy Thursday, I PICKED UP THE TRAILER!!! in New York. The owners son again assured me the wheel bearings were fine, re-wired the seven prong plug to match my truck, and check in hand , waved good-bye. The back roads, some forty miles to the Interstate were nerve-wracking and the smile on my face slow to come, but hour by confidence building hour my joy was unbounded. My arrival at my Mom's was wonderful, with brother number one offering me two thousand more than I paid on the spot. The day after Easter, I began my return to Colorado. The width of the trailer was the hardest to get accustomed . I drove down the Northeast Extension of the Pennsylvania Turnpike, past Philadelphia to join I-95 south through Delaware, south on 301 and exited onto MD 213 through Galena and Chestertown to the Sail Loft of my best friend of thirty-nine years, Meade Breeze. Now I would benefit from his two years experience living in an Airstream. He was as appreciative of my new toy as I was of his, an R50 BMW motorcycle with a matching sidecar, circa 1955. He'd arranged for me to stay near the Rock Hall Harbour, next to a wonderful restaurant called Pruitts. We had two days of cool breezes, warm bourbon and hot seafood. I left after breakfast on Wednesday morning for what was to me the most stressful hour. South to US 50 over the Annapolis bridge, the Bay Bridge, then around D.C. to I-66. My impressions by now were that truckers appreciated good driving and good signals, some car drivers terrified me, full length mirror wouldn't be enough to cover my backside. West of Washington to I-81 were wonderful miles of springtime in the Blue Ridge,...redbud, dogwood, cherry and new leaves. And here was I, turning over a new leaf. So far I hadn't stopped, but as I began to look for a lunch spot, available sites grew smaller and my trailer much bigger than it's stated length of twenty-eight feet. When I did stop, I felt I was on the abandoned lists of King Richard's England with colorful tents, rolling hills agreeing and no people. I was at Great ฏ--------. Soon I rejoined I-66, turning south on I-81. Here was a new test. I had only read of, speeding eighteen wheelers and here there were herds of them blowing by in bands of modern buffalo, but the trailer was surprisingly stable. Twice I stopped and checked all around and inside. Imagine my surprise when a bottle left on the table and two books were in the same place as when I started, several hundred miles before. Now I was in the rhythm of the trip, sixty to sixty-five staying free of pods of vehicles always westward. Dark fell quickly as I rode into West Virginia enabling me to see the showers of sparks from the trailer wheels. Oh no! A quick walkabout only revealed...nothing. Back on the road, the shower of sparks continued and increased. This time, my stop only inches from the highway, prompted a more thorough inspection. With flashlight and fire extinguisher in hand, I circled the vehicle until the light of a passing car gave form to the wisps of smoke coming from the left front trailer wheel well. I touched the hubcap and heard flesh sizzle. Denver, we have a problem! There was no open flame and I set the fire extinguisher on the truck bumper. I now understood the dilemma of so many of the stories I had read: it was Dark, it was cold, my trusty cell phone (can you hear me now?) couldn't and I didn't know what to do. Staying where I was, was hazardous. Moving would do what? Well, I drove to the next exit where there was a lone gas station, no knowledge and no help. I limped on with flashers going and the screech of tortured steel growing louder. Just past Beckley , West Virginia I exited onto Highway 19 and the first lit station suggested a river rafting campground across the highway on top of the hill. When I pulled in there was NO ONE. I found five hookups and hooked up to one for my first night on the road. What a wonderful night, . .clear skies, shoals of stars and a warm, cozy trailer. Morning brought light and the prospect of repair. A quick look showed burnt particles and a darkened rim. At the bottom o the hill, said there was a RV dealership three miles ahead and I drove the trailer, squeeling and complaining into the lot of American Campers and the crew Now this was my first time at a RV Dealership! A gentleman approached, I explained my situation and Saint Jimmy was called. He quickly removed the wheel with me hovering over his shoulder and revealed the near tragedy. The wheel bearing was down to a jagged wedding band of steel and had that gone, the axle would have quickly followed. The pleasure of owning a twenty-eight year old trailer was soon apparent as a search for the parts dragged on. They weren't made anymore! But a substitute was found and would be shipped on Monday and received on Tuesday. Did I mention it was Friday? Did I say I was to be at work on Saturday? Oh! Now a hurried huddle with twin owners Gene and Gary Underwood occasioned the rare event of a UPS Saturday delivery direct from the manufacturer. The rest of the day was spent at Sears having the alignment on my truck completed. Back at the yard the guys set my Avion up on a level space, (hard to come by in West Virginia) and had me plugged in. Night the third in "Hacienda Halenda" they awoke me with a cheery good morning and the offer of coffee. By noon I was back on the highway with all bearings greased and all brakes balanced. What a difference a day and a hospitable and knowledgeable crew make. I arrived in Colorado on Sunday afternoon, exiting I-70 at the 205 mile marker. I was home or at least to my apartment where a note taped to my door advised me that the property had been sold, the new owner doubled the monthly rent or I could leave by the first of June. Sounds like I may become a full-timer, hey? —Robert Halenda, "The Sojourner" Keystone, Colorado

May 10, 2003 —Del O'Neal - dchaad@mchsi.com— Stolen 1988 34-V Avion— On Mother's Day we discovered that our 1988 Avion Silver 34 foot model V was stolen from the storage area where we were paying to have it stored. The unit was last seen on Tuesday 6th of May 2003 in Huntsville Alabama. It has Alabama plates on it that are 47TLC381 the VIN is 1EE1V343XJ9306696. It has a brand new power front jack on it and a Coleman air unit on top. We have the US map located on the door side with most states filled in except NM, CA, AZ, WA, OR and WV and New England states. Also, there is a star located on the Alabama map were Huntsville is located. The unit is a three axle with the Braun antenna still on it. There are awnings on all windows . Please contactDel O'Neal. at 256-520-9498 if you have any information.Please pass the word. Thanks!!!!! The unit was taken out of a secure fenced well lit and camera patrolled facility that goes by the name of Safe Mini Storage. I am sad to say that we did not have any form of hitch lock. The unit had only been in the facility for six weeks. Distinguishing characteristics are that it had the US map on the door side of the unit with most states filled in except the extreme NW, SW and NE and West Virginia. The map of Alabama has a star on it at the position of Huntsville. We had just installed a new electric hitch lift on the front. It is white and model 3500. Thanks for your rapid response. —Del O'Neal - dchaad@mchsi.com
June 13, 2003 —Del O'Neal - dchaad@mchsi.com— STOLEN TRAILER— Our unit now belongs to State Farm Insurance. We settled with them and are in the process of buying another Avion, 1987 34W. Our e-mail address has changed to dchaad@mchsi.com, but our phone is the same. Thanks to all those who gave us calls and e-mails. We will always keep our eyes out for the stolen rig. We want to catch the thieves real bad!! By the way to all those out there, State Farm did good in establishing a value for our rig and we got a very fair settlement. However, all of our stuff inside the rig was covered (we hope) by our home owners policy. We had to try and list all of the items and their values that we had inside of the rig. After RVing for 14+ years, we had accumulated almost $3000.00 worth of items!! We have no proof of any of it!! Our insurance company will just have to trust us, and I hope that they are going to. My advise is to keep all receipts and take pictures of all the items. I mean everything!! Don't let it be a guessing game, have proof! My wife , Holly, and I want the Travelcade club to know that we intend to become members very soon as we have found the service provided to us and the friendly calls most comforting. Thanks a lot!!!!

May 20, 2003 —Vince J. O'Brien - VJObrie@attglobal.net— Cover for 34' Avion—Wanted Cover for an Avion— Does anyone know a source for covers to fit a 34" Avion? Ready made Class A cover are too big and travel trailer covers from ADCO come up to 32" length. Custom covers through ADCO seem to be available but at a cost of near $20 a foot - about $700 with shipping. Any lower cost ideas? Thanks. Vince J. O'Brien - VJObrie@attglobal.net

May 20, 2003 —Steve Ulicny - SteveUlicny@lisco.com— Wanted Door for an Avion— Looking for a door for an 84 30-foot aluminum Avion, opens from Right to Left.   Thanks. -Steve Ulicny - SteveUlicny@lisco.com


May 28, 2003 —Bill Rahm - WORahm@aol.com— Anodized Aluminum for Avion— As a matter of interest to Classic Avion owners, I have just learned from reading postings on the Yahoo Avion web site that the anodized skin used on most silver Avions is in very short supply. From what I have read, Cayo has very little anodized aluminum left and is currently using the painted aluminum that was used on later model Classic Avions to repair the skin on anodized aluminum skinned Avions. The anodized aluminum is available but a minimum order cost over $60,000. According to the Yahoo postings, Cayo does not intend to replenish his supply of anodized aluminum and at $60,000 minimum order, I don't blame him. I have had Cayo work on my Avion and as far as I am concerned he is the only facility in the country that can repair the skin on a Classic Avion with an acceptable outcome. If anyone knows of a source of anodized aluminum sheet that is available in reasonable quantities, I think it would behoove us all if that information was passed on to the Cayo family. Lets see if we can find a way to keep this very valuable resource for Classic Avion owners in the business of repairing Classic Avions.Bill Rahm

May 29, 2003 —Shelly Williams - vanshell@main-net.com — Bunk Beds for an Avion— My husband and I have been loyal tent campers for years, but took the plunge into RVing when we needed relief from the county fair for our children's 4-H projects. Our 5 kids were little and we thought we would buy a starter travel trailer that we could eventually replace with something bigger as the kids and our need for space grew. We were so lucky to get a beautiful 30 foot 1982 Avion with all the paerwork, manuals and features. With a little spitshine, we tokk it on lots of trips last summer including a 2800 mile round-trip to South Dakota for an adventure to remember. Here's the thing. We fell in love with THIS trailer, and want to continue with her, but need more bed room. Kids use our tent and doubel in the beds, but that can only go on a few more years. We have the sofa that becomes a double bed, and in the middle is a set of twin beds. I saw vague pictures of bunk beds in Avions (on ebay) and was wondering if anyone knew about these or had any suggestions. It would save the life of our new family member. Responses would be welcomed atvanshell@main-net.com. Thanks,Shelly Williams, West Liberty, Ohio


June 12, 2003 —Greg Hlatky -monsalvat@aol.com— Replacement Holding Tanks— We have a 1968 22-foot Avion. The black-water holding tank is cracked. It's a Thetford Engineering model, but looking at their website they don't make them. Any ideas on suitable replacements? Also: Has anyone installed a second grey-water holding tank? What's the best way to go around this? Thanks! Greg Hlatky Thetford made the toilets but they did not make the holding tanks. There are several makers of holding tanks but with the age it would be best to replace it. A full service RV shop can do that one. Cayo Repair in Watervliet is the place that regularly replaces/repairs Avion holding tanks. Unless yours has had one added there is no grey water holding in a 1968 Avion trailer. On shorter Avions only very small grey water tanks could be added due to the frame height. Cayo is the source that can add grey water tanks to most models.

June 13, 2003 —Del O'Neal - dchaad@mchsi.com— STOLEN TRAILER— Our unit now belongs to State Farm Insurance. We settled with them and are in the process of buying another Avion, 1987 34W. Our e-mail address has changed to dchaad@mchsi.com, but our phone is the same. Thanks to all those who gave us calls and e-mails. We will always keep our eyes out for the stolen rig. We want to catch the thieves real bad!! By the way to all those out there, State Farm did good in establishing a value for our rig and we got a very fair settlement. However, all of our stuff inside the rig was covered (we hope) by our home owners policy. We had to try and list all of the items and their values that we had inside of the rig. After RVing for 14+ years, we had accumulated almost $3000.00 worth of items!! We have no proof of any of it!! Our insurance company will just have to trust us, and I hope that they are going to. My advise is to keep all receipts and take pictures of all the items. I mean everything!! Don't let it be a guessing game, have proof! My wife , Holly, and I want the Travelcade club to know that we intend to become members very soon as we have found the service provided to us and the friendly calls most comforting. Thanks a lot!!!!


July 1, 2003 —DrG - gradeless@gmail.com— The adventure begins— Only seven weeks until I return to school. Took delivery of a 2003 GMC 1500HD Crew Cab 6.0L 4.10 Quadrasteer on Saturday. Watch the emails forAdventures in Quadrasteeringcoming later this month. Yesterday I drove it for the first time since Saturday to had vent visors installed. Wanted a bug deflector but they are backordered so that will wait. I'm off for Potato Creek State Park in Northern Indiana to meet my parents there with their Avion & to get a brake controller installed on the GMC Quad. On the 4th of July I will be riding my Rhoades Car in the Topeka, Indiana 4th of July Parade. If your there wave! The Rhoades Car is parked in the rear of the Quad but is 2 inches too long to fit inside the tailgate extender so the Tailgate Extender was removed and is locked to the Rhoades car. This is a clear sign the Rhoades Car will be going (or the Quad!). When I return I will be removing the workbench across the rear of the garage to fit the Quad inside during the winter. In 2 weeks the Quad with my parent's Avion in tow should be headed to Amarillo, TexasandRuidoso, New Mexico. If the planets align themselves and family members cooperate, we will all meet at my nephew's farm in Comfort, Iowa on the return trip to Northern Indiana. On August 3rd-8th I will be in Elkhart Indiana at theSilver Avion FellowshipNational Meeting. Drop by and say hello.

July 8, 2003 — ColleenUhyrek Colleen@frogspond. com— 1959 Avion— Hello, I believe I just purchased a 1959 Avion. very similar to the 1960 model. am looking for any info from anyone. also, am searching the trailer head to toe for brochure/history etc. Only two owners. and as I said. JUST purchased TODAY !! VERY happy! Let me know if I can contibute to the site. or if anyone has any additional info. Kindest regaards,Colleen


August 8, 2003 — DrG gradeless@gmail.com— I've Returned— Just returned from the trip to Indiana, New Mexico, Iowa and then the SAF Meeting at Elkhart. The next few messages were received in the last month:

August 8, 2003 —Bill Rahm - WORahm@AOL.COM—
7/21/2003 — Dr. G.... This morning I figured out how to remove the Sofa/Bed in my 1987 30P Model Avion. It was not hard. I found that when I removed the lower cushion and drawer, the screws that secure the unit to the floor are exposed and easily removed. After removing the safa/bed, I found a small area of floor in the front, right hand corner of my trailer has started to rot. I suspect rain got into the front windows and ran down the wall in back of the safa/bed. I am in the process of replacing the affected plywood I will post a step by step procedure, complete with photographs when I complete the job.Bill Rahm
7/23/2003 — Dr.G. I finally found the source of the leak in my 87 Avion. Based on the many email I have received, leaks in the front, right-hand corner of an Avion are common. The culprit is the ZipDee awning bracket located on the upper front of the trailer. When I removed the bracket, I found the factory drilled out two skin rivets and left the hole unsealed. Apparently, they drilled out the rivets so the awning bracket would lay flat against the trailer. Of course, they sealed around the bracket with Parabond but once that seal cracks or breaks down, water can get under the bracket and find it way into the drill out rivet holes. It was an easy matter to remove the bracket, clean up the old sealer and reseal the drilled out rivet holes. I coated the entire area under the bracket with Parabond sealer before I reinstalled the bracket. I found the same situation under the rear bracket. I repeated the procedure on the rear bracket. The whole job did not take 1/2 hour. It would be good advice for anyone who owns a Classic Avion to remove the awning brackets and reseal them. Bill Rahm

August 8, 2003 —Tom DeArk - TDeArk@juno.com—
7/24/2003 — The '1969 Avion Truck Camper Restoration' web site was updated today. Click on this link http://www.geocities.com/silveravion/ to go there.

August 11, 2003 —Ron Gilbrech - RMGilbrech@yahoo.com— Stove Advise Needed — I am a new owner of an 1982 Avion 34V Trailer. The Magic Chef Stove is Tired and needs a new oven regulator. Have been replaced with newer one that does not support pilot light for top burners. I also don't like the idea of a live Pilot Light with LP gas. I want to replace it with a 22" stove that fits my cut out that has electronic ignition. I have researched as much as I can on Internet and have found lots of information. My problem is which of the three major stove should I buy that will fit and not be a hustle to install. Magic Chef unit is in the $340 range, suburban in the $425 range and Atwood in the $500 range. Do I buy the most expensive unit and assume it is the best? Not always the correct assumption. I do like the heavy cast iron grates that the Atwood has. I like to cook so paying the extra money is not an issue. If it is truly better. If anyone has experience with this please help me as I need to resolve this issue soon. Ron Gilbrech

August 14, 2003 —Steve Ruth - SPRuth@nwonline.net— Avion Repairs —Hello, We are in the Airstream refinishing business and we receive many inquiries from Avion owners about how to make their units look better. We will clean and clearcoat your Avion for $45 per foot. (34 ft trailer x $45). We also do metal work on Avions. We are located in Helena, Ohio and have been in business for 35 years. Check us out at our websitewww.pandstrailerservice.com. Thank you,Steve Ruth

August 15, 2003 —Harvey Barlow - HarveyBarlow@sbcglobal.net— Avion Repairs —I know Steve and Kevin Ruth (father and son respectively) personally and can attest to the quality of work they do and their willingness to honor their warranties. Actually, I recommended them and encouraged a couple of our Silver Avion Fellowship attendees to visit them in Helena, OH on the way home from the SAF Rally to inquire about refinishing their Avion trailers. I have told you that I formerly owned a 1993 Airstream Excella 34' (among other Airstreams I've owned). Apparently most if not all 1993 and 1994 Airstreams, at least those sold into the Southwestern US, experienced finish failures. I bought mine when it was a year old. By the time I realized what had happened to the finish of my Airstream the upper end caps on both ends had peeled and oxidized and other areas of the top had peeled. I contacted the Airstream factory at Jackson Center to inquire about a fix. The Service Manager recommendedP & Sand told me that the Ruths had considerable experience refinishing Airstreams and were trustworthy. I contacted Steve Ruth by phone and made an appointment to take my trailer to him (from Lubbock, TX) in February 1998. I dropped the trailer off while my daughter and I visited the Henry Ford Museum and other tourist attractions in the area. Steve was attending a Wally Byam (Airstream) rally and his adult son, Kevin, actually did the work on my trailer. When I returned several days later the trailer was ready and looked like new. Kevin had stripped the entire finish and recoated it to like-new appearance. The process was not cheap but was reasonably priced. About two years later I noticed some peeling on the top of the same Airstream and contacted Steve Ruth again. He invited me to return the trailer to him, which I did. Steve cheerfully inspected the trailer and agreed that minor peeling had occurred and stated that he would warranty his work. He explained that he obtained his "clearcoat" material from Airstream and both he and Airstream had experienced some problems and had changed the formula. Steve made no excuses or attempts to divert responsibility whatsoever. I left the trailer for several days while my daughter and I traveled in her vintage Airstream to Sault Ste. Marie, MI. Steve and Kevin stripped the entire upper half of the trailer from beltline to beltline and recoated it once again at no charge to me. Once again, the trailer looked like new. A year or so later the trailer received minor hail damage while parked in my backyard and I accepted an insurance settlement and sold the trailer so I cannot attest to the permanency of the new finish. As a side note, Steve's father is a longtime Airstream owner. Steve stripped and recoated his father's vintage Airstream during the same week that he stripped and recoated my trailer in February 1998. His father's trailer was stored behind Steve's shop on their beautiful family farm when I returned to have my trailer stripped and recoated the second time. Steve showed me his father's trailer and his record book showing that he had stripped and recoated his father's trailer during the same week that he had refinished mine. His father's trailer finish was still perfect. It is my personal opinion that the aluminum skin used on 1993 Airstreams played a role in the finish failure. As you probably are aware, Airstream has been changing aluminum material, material suppliers, processes, and clearcoat products for years in a sometimes futile attempt to find a finish that will last. The aluminum skins on some trailers seems to hold a finish better than others. In summary, I do not have any experience with refinishing oxidized Avions (mine was kept polished by the original owner) or with the work done by Steve and Kevin Ruth on Avions. I do, however, have experience with the Ruths in their primary area of expertise which is Airstreams. I highly recommend them as honest men who run a professional RV service business. I think it would be beneficial to Avion owners for you to include a link toP & S Trailer Serviceand to include advertising or statements submitted by Steve or Kevin on your website. If they are refinishing Avions now I would assume that they know what they are doing. —Harvey Barlow, Lubbock, TX. Avion owner. Silver Avion Associate, vintage Airstream owner

August 28, 2003 —Bill Rahm - WORahm@AOL.COM— Bill sent an interesting article on repairing his floor, replacing windows, seaking leaks and roof seals. Click here for some interesting reading & Repair Tips.. IF you would like the article showing Photos (I don't have space for the photos) please write toBilland he can send you the complete articlewith the photos

August 30, 2003 — T J DeArk - TDeArk@juno.com— The1969 Avion Truck Camper Restorationweb site was updated yesterday. Here is the web address: http://www.geocities.com/silveravion/.

August 30, 2003 —DrG - gradeless@gmail.com— Well, I am now home and know the answers to the question. Can a ฝ ton GMC Sierra Pickup pull a 34-V Avion?
The answer is "if properly equipped." My 1994 Dodge had 120,000 and as much as I loved it time for a new truck. With my years of using my GM Card and the various incentives after careful studying I ordered a new truck at the end of April.
Reality is that only 5-10% of the total mileage would be trailer towing and the rest commuting to work, and local trips. Smaller is better for commuting to work and passenger capacity were also considerations. My choice (based on the incentives) was a Chevrolet Silverado 1500HD or the GMC Sierra 1500HD in two wheel drive. Will I ever be pulling an Avion through a blizzard or out of the lake, NO. So no four wheel drive this time.. Then came the shopping and at $500 below invoice I ordered the GMC Sierra 1500HD.
Well according to everything I could find I would be able to adequately pull a 30'/32' Avion (the largest I would want to own) and possibly a lightly loaded 34. With the 4.10 axle the GCVW rating was 16,000 and with the 3.73 it was 12,000 so obviously it would have to be a 4.10 rear axle. Because I wanted six passengers capacity I had to stay with the basic seats. I kept the standard radio package and did not upgrade to the XM radio (in hind site that would be a nice option that I could use in the summer when traveling). I also passed on the On-Star (my cell phone should cover that purpose). I ordered all the other options including the QuadraSteer. $4,995 but it also has a 2,500 rebate so the net cost was 2,495 so the quadra steer was ordered which included a wider fiberglass bed with wheel wells, marker lights, suspension package and Traction control. Ordered the Electric Trailering mirrors. Tailgate extender for hauling long loads and stainless steel running boards. Total Sticker came to 39,611.
I took delivery on the last Saturday in June and rebates from GM Card, GM Card Bonus, GMC Sierra Rebate, Quadrasteer, GMC Sierra Bonus Rebate. All were honored. A briefing on what all the buttons did and away I went.
. On Monday I stopped by the local Pickup Accessory store and had WeatherTech window visors installed. On Tuesday July 2nd I loaded the Rhoades Car into the rear of the pickup and away I went.. On Thursday went to Topeka, Indiana for their 4th of July Parade. Wearing Cherokee RV tee-Shirts we rode with another friend who also had a Rhoades car. Great fun.
Then came to installing the brake controller. I had my brother-in-law install a Tekonska Voyager XP controller after I picked up the brake controller harness from a local GMC dealer, they are not included in GM's trailer package. Then we installed the Reese Hitch from my Dodge and amazingly the ball was the right height. Stopped at Eagle for ordering a Truck Camper and they were closed the week of the 4th so placed the order the following Monday and picked up the Cap on Thursday. Then the real test. Would it pull my parents 34-V Avion? Checking if my advance research was correct the owner's manual shows all the various bodies, engine, transmission combinations and a 1500HD 2wd with QuadraSteer shows 9,9,00 lbs. Well, hit the button and change from 4 wheel steer to "4 wheel steer towing mode", press the button on the transmission to towing and away we went. Unbelievable, the trailer moved and at the road the brakes worked. Turned onto Indiana State Road 5 and three blocks later was on US-30 and away we went. Drove to the next town turned around and came back. It was working and everything seemed fine. Back to the house and pack for the trip.
Ruidoso, New Mexicowas the destination. Away we went down State Road 5 to US-24 and west to where we meet up with my Aunt and Uncle with their 2002 Yukon XL with 5.3 litter engine and their 1978 Avion 28-J (formerly Tom DeArk's). This was also their maiden voyage with their Yukon that they had purchased last fall. Stopped and the Cracker Barrel for breakfast and away we went. Make it to St. Louis in fine shape. Truck was going the speed limit all the time with no troubles and then west of St. Louis, everything stopped. An accident ahead. After an hour of sitting in 104ฐ heat we shut the truck down. About 30 minutes later we were on the move. Made it to the Springfield, Missouri Camp Cracker Barrel for the night. Another Breakfast at Cracker Barrel in the morning and away we went. Hit the Oklahoma Toll road. Two sections. Gary paid $8.10 twice for the 28-J but our 34-V was $14.25 twice. Highway robbery. Worse yet the temp was up to 108ฐ. The truck was performing fine through the hills of Oklahoma and we made it toAmarilloto the Camp WalMart for the night. Two days of driving and the mileage towing the 34-V in the over 100ฐ for most the two days was 10.9 mpg. The next morning it was off to Roswell, NM and then west through the Hondo Valley Construction to Ruidoso. Had to stop 5 times and by late afternoon we pulled into Ruidoso and were greeted by my Uncle (one of those Wally Byam Caravan Members) who had arranged to meet up with his Cummins Turbo Diesel if we needed help. (We had already went over the steep hills before we got there but it was a nice gesture). Max's new house was the last house in Carrazzo Canyon just before the Apache reservation and Inn of the Mountain Gods Casino. Had full hookups for both trailers so we had some tight parking but the trailer fit. Less than 30 minutes there and a bear walks past across the road and a hour later deer went walking through up the side of the mountain. We were parked with the rear of the trailer facing Carazzo Creek and Gary and Phyllis had a stop on the other side of the creek. Beautiful. But Ruidoso has a monsoon season which is a daily rain every afternoon which starts on the 4th of July. No rain the entire time. The worse drought in July in their history. Enjoyed the horse races, casinos, restaurant, Bar-J, sightseeing, Cousin came up from Anthony and took us sight seeing up El Capitan and then up Bonito Canyon over the top of the ridge and down through Nagal Canyon on the other side..
After a week and a half it was time to return so we hitched everything up and departed about 4 am to avoid traffic and made it through the Hondo Valley Construction Zone seeing some strange desert animals that come out only in the night. Made it through Roswell and into Texas. By the time we hit Oklahoma the temp was back to 106ฐ by the time we got to Oklahoma City it was 108ฐ so north to Kansas we went. Still over 100ฐ in Kansas so we continued making it through Kansas City before stopping at Camp Missouri Rest Park. 999 miles. Next morning we crossed into Iowa and went to Confidence, Iowa and located my Nephew's new farm. A few minutes later they arrived and we spent the day looking over Jason's 600 acre farm and sightseeing at the Rathburn Recreation Area. We made it home the Indiana the next day.
No problems any time. Truck and Avion performed beautifully. Mileage for the trip was 10.9 towing. On the next Sunday it was off with the trailer to the SAF meeting in Elkhart.. Truck has performed flawlessly towing.
So the results are in. Power was adequate and no overheating. Pulling the hills in Missouri and Oklahoma with air conditioning running a max in the 108ฐ heat and the transmission temperature never got over 190ฐ and the engine temp never raised staying at its 195ฐ. Mileage was 10.5 mpg for the towing.. By the time I returned I could figure out the trip mileage computer so testing the mileage drving solo Wisconsin to Indiana and it was 15.9 (no speeding). Driving Indiana to Wisconsin (no air and no speeding) and it was 17.0. Chicago was in the middle of both trips so I was impressed. Truck has immense power but has the feeling you could easily lower the mileage with a little movement of the gas pedal. Quadrasteer makes it turn like you were driving a car rather than a crew cab. QuadraSteer is the greatest invention for solo dirivng. Time will tell one maintenance costs. Pictures will follow. I've cleaned the garage and removed the work bench, cabinets and shelving. Next week I will try parking to see if it fits in the garage. I should have at least 8" to spare! Interesting places were Amarillo, Texasand Ruidoso, New Mexico.


September 3, 2003 —Cornelis Wilkes - CornelisWilkes@hotmail.com— Did a lot of work on an Avion 1969 C-10 truck camper. It is not finished yet but for anybody interested in the project I started a website which will tell the whole story in the near future. Check it out! . www.geocities.com/cwilkes2003/index.html

September 7, 2003 —Sirppa Wetter - JKWetter@earthlink.net— have a 1992 Avion 29 foot Fifth Wheel trailer with a slide-out unit that failed. I have replaced the "slide-out room controller ", Fleetwood P/N F97-0004 and Barker Mfg. Co. P/N 19215. The toggle switch on the control panel checks good. I have removed the 3' x 3' panel underneath the trailer to access the motor and have checked the motor by connecting a hot lead directly - it checks good (it works). Is there a solenoid switch somewhere? I could not find one. Anyone have any ideas other than taking it to a service center. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. —John Wetter

September 11, 2003 —Ron Gilbrech - RMGilbrech@yahoo.com— WHICH STOVE TO BUY— : August 8, 2003 — : I am a new owner of an 1982 Avion 34V trailer. The Magic Chef Stove is tired and needs a new oven regulator. Has been replaced with newer one that does not support the pilot light for top burners. I also don't like the idea of a live pilot light with LP gas. I want to replace it with a 22" stove that fits my cut-out that has electronic ignition. I have researched as much as I can on internet and have found lots of information. My problem is which of the three major stoves should I buy that will fit and not be a hustle to install. Magic chef unit is in the $340 range, Suburban in the $425.00 range and Atwood in the $500 range. Do I buy the most expensive unit and assume it is the best? Not always the correct assumption. I do like the heavy cast iron grates that the Atwood has. I like to cook so paying the extra money is not an issue, if it is truly better. If anyone has experience with this please help me as I need to resolve this issue soon. PS: love your web site, was very valuable in helping me research my purchase of the 34V
September 11, 2003 — : O.K. I took the plunge and bought the Suburban stove and guess what? There is still truth in advertising. The unit was billed as a replacement for the tall Magic Chef unit and it is. The screw holes even matched. I could not believe it. It is a three burner instead of four, which is fine because it allows for a larger pot or pan up front (9000 BTU) and two smaller burners (6000 BTU) in back. The grate is one piece and rubber grommets to the top to reduce rattles. It also uses a manual electronic ignition to start the top burners and a manual pilot light for oven. The only feature missing is an oven light and see thru oven door. Also in taking your advice I shopped new RV trailer & motor homes and most had the Atwood stoves in them, but surprisingly enough I could not see much if any difference in the Atwood, Suburban or Amana. They could have been all made in the same manufacture. Note the unit was purchased fromBig Discount RV. They were easy to deal with. Their warehouse messed up and shipped it UPS and it came in looking like it had been thru downtown Beirut. Seems they cut it off it's shipping pallet to allow it to come UPS. Bad choice. They shipped out a replacement unit the same day I reported the mess and the second one arrived by truck still on it's pallet and in good shape. Hope my experience may be of help to someone else. Thanks Ron Gilbrech.


October 20, 2003— : Does anyone have any specs on the NT34S Suburban heater? Most places want me to transport my Avion Fleetwood 34 foot RV to their shop which is impossible for me right now.Casey Toth - Casey_Toth@hotmail.com


November 5, 2003— Julie M. Dobrowolski. -JDobrowo@bellsouth.net— Hello Avion world. My father has recently purchased a '73 Avion trailer. I have not seen it, but I'm told "there's nothing in it". I have been reading with interest every detail that y'all have put on this site. I know I need to find an owner's manual and, according to my father, two electric manuals, one for inside operations and one for driving down the highway operations. I have seen the title and the only identifying number is the VIN 73T25145. From that, can someone determine whether the camper is the Travelcade or one of the other models from '73? And, if so, does someone have those three manuals? I'll be happy to pay for duplication and shipping...or emailing...or faxing. I showed my father a picture one of you put up of a 73 25-ft Travelcade and he said "looks just like that". He also said the 25 feet includes the tongue and there are "twin" beds in addition to the "double". Now, I will admit that I've crept around your website for several weeks. A neighbor recently bought and has been restoring a '69 AS Overlander 27'. I have been responsible for all the sewing, reupholstering, drapery, shades...just about anything that may involve a sewing machine, electric staple gun, fabric or near fabric or a needle!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are some wonderful ideas here. Thank you,Julie

November 23, 2003— Roy McCarroll —cw3usa@earthlink.net— Fifth Wheel Leaking Problem— The right front cargo compartment in my 1991 35' 5th wheel gets wet when it rains. The gaskets appear to be in good condition and show no signs of leakage. The cargo door has water inside and I think it runs out of the bottom seam which looks like it would leak on the carpet. I believe water is entering through on of the pop rivets on top of the door? Has anyone had this problem? My local dealer suggested that I drill 3 weep holes in the door bottom which helps but water still gets inside the compartment. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks. Roy. DrG— My suggestion was that it was leaking much higher and running down on the inside of the wall to start looking for a leak higher and maybe further away as the cargo compartment is the lower point and water runs down hill. Tissue (toilet) paper makes an excellent source to detect even small amounts of water.

November 26, 2003— Harvey Barlow —HarveyBarlow@sbcglobal.net— Replacement of Worn Hitch Coupler.— The hitch coupler on the tongue of my 1987 Avion 32-S was sufficiently worn that I could feel the slack when I engaged the clutch of the tow vehicle or applied the brakes. The repeated shock was very annoying when pulling in stop and go traffic. I determined the original coupler was an Atwood Mobile Home coupler rated at 25,000#. I contacted Bill Cayo (Cayo Repair Service) for advice and a part number. I also did my own research and learned that the original coupler was not adjustable for wear and repair parts are not made or available for that model, possibly because mobile homes are not towed frequently. I found that Atwood still manufactures the hitch coupler under part number 82680 and it was available from Southwest Wheel (http://www.southwestwheel.com) at a cost of $32.01 plus tax. Southwest Wheel is located in Dallas and Lubbock, TX. The shop mechanic and welder at SW Wheel burned the original coupler off with an acetylene torch and welded the replacement on with an arc welder for a charge of $40. The slack between towing ball and coupler that caused the annoying thud whenever I started off is now gone and towing is much more relaxing. —Harvey


December 2, 2003— Rivets for aluminum trailers.— Lately there have been several questions on removing the inner and outer panels of aluminum so we askedTom DeArkabout the subject for those owners are novices with rivets and Tom has recommended these sites to raise your knowledge.
Airstream Forums: Rivet removal and installation: http://www.airstreamforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23

Do you know of otherRivet How Tosites?

December 5, 2003—Holly Mawby—Mawby@stellarnet.com— We have recently acquired a 1970 Ford Avion Motorhome - cute little thing looks like a loaf of wonder bread! We are currently fumbling and trying to figure out how everything works - previous owners gave no explanations! Do you know of someone who has an owners manual for this - I did not see it listed on your web site but web sites can go out of date pretty fast. Please email us and let us know if there is someone who can help us. Also, we did find the owners manual for the Cayo online - What is the difference between the Cayo and the Avion - they look very much the same but the door on ours is on the side not the rear. Thank you.   Holly Mawby

December 6, 2003— Tom DeArk— The 1969 Avion Truck Camper Restoration web site at http://www.geocities.com/silveravion/was updated today. —Tom D.


January 15, 2004—Circuit Problems— G Luedke - LuedkeG@aol.com— I recently purchased a 72 28ft Avion Le Grand. The air condictioner will not turn on and the 120 outlets in the right front and in the forward overhead cabinet will not power up. I have checked the circuit breakers and they all function. Any ideas. Reply toG. Luedke

January 17, 2004—Hydraulic Slide Problems on a 5th wheel— Dennis Bush - DebnDennisBush@fbx.com— Hi, I am the recent owner of a 95 Avion 36.5. I am experiencing difficulties with the hydraulics on the large slide. The hydraulic cylinders that operate the slide are noticeably out of synch. I have fully extended the slide, centered it, and squared up the slide in the opening by adjusting where the slide bolts to the hydraulic rams. After running it in and out a few times, the slide will be out of square and not centered. There are no external leaks in the hydraulic system. The reservoir has the proper level of oil. I have disassembled and cleaned the hydraulic controls on top of the pump. Nothing has helped. I am an experienced carpenter, welder, and mechanic. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Dennis Bush

January 17, 2004—Broken Water Lines on a 5th wheel— Art Morrison - rehtaeh@telus.net— 1994 Avion fifth wheel trailer, The Serial number is 1EE5E3027R9309923 MODEL 30.5E FIFTH WHEEL. I need the schematic for the water lline of my 30.5 foot fifth wheel. I have a broken water line and need access to the rear lines. This model has a rear kitchen and the line appears to be broken in the rear right side of the trailer and the sink is in the rear left side of the trailer. How do I access the water lines between the floors I have removed a panel under the trailer, but cannot reach the area where the break is. Should I remove the rear bumper, would I have access from there. Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.. Thank you in advance for your anticipated assistance. Art Morrison

January 23, 2004—Window Hardware & Roof Ladder needed for a 5th wheel—J Barker- voris36@aol.com— I have a 91 29foot 5th wheel. It came to me without a ladder to use to inspect the roof. I would like to add on if there is a structurally safe way to do it. Could someone direct me to a site or place to get information about this problem of mine. Also I need a piece of hardware that holds the bedroom louvered window glass in place. I am currently in Ocala, FL and will be here until spring. Thanks,J Barker

January 31, 2004—Another Fifth Wheel Slide Problem. Any suggestions?—R Dave Vaeth - RDVaeth@unum.com. — Stats: 1992 Avion 5th Wheel, 35.5 P Model. My father in-law’s Avion has a 14’ slide out that rides พ” too high when its retracted. Does anyone know how to adjust it to bring it down?  R. Dave Vaeth. Email:RDVaeth@earthlink.netor Email:RDVaeth@unum.com.


February 3, 2004—Email Disaster—Donald Gradeless. — Disaster with the email and the program reloaded and reinstalled and in so doing all Email received from December 1 to Feb 2 was destroyed. If you sent any Email / Photos that were not acknowledged, resend. I always acknowledge Email. If you don't get a reply back, it means the Email Gods interceded before I could act on your Email.. —DrG.

February 6, 2004—Leaking—J. Emory Clotfelter -- EClotfelter@imageworks4signs.com. — I have had water damage to floor of my 1989 basement model silver avion. water seemed to come into trailer around rear storage[spare tire] door. I need to locate or replace the gasket or seal to stop water. Any suggestions or source for replacement ? Thanks. I like idea for silver group. —J. Emory Clotfelter.

February 16, 2004—Fiberglass Door Wanter—William Olnick -- WOlnick@hotmail.com. — I am looking for a fiberglass basement door for my 1990 38.5' Avion fifth wheel. It is the door that covers the steps. If you know where I could get one or have any ideas to where I could get one made please let me know! William Olnick, 1728 Blankenship Dr, Indianapolis, IN 46217 Email: WOlnick@hotmail.com


March 6, 2004—Refrigerator Door—JJordan Holtam -- JHoltam@mindspring.com. — I recently bought a "73 Avion 25' La Grande. I had a new heater installed, but otherwise everything works well and the interior woodwork is in good condition. But the door of the Dometic refrigerator, an RM 77, is sprung open about 1/4 inch at the bottom. I've tried pulling out on the top and pushing in at the bottom but this seems to correct the condition only for a short time as the door returns to its warped condition. Can you post a plea for advice on correcting this problem? Surely this has happened to someone else and perhaps they can share their solution.   Jordan Holtam, 114 Sugar Cove Road, Weaverville, NC 28787. Email: jholtam@mindspring.com. Telephone AC: 828.658.1099 Thank you.Jordan Holtam, 114 Sugar Cove Road, Weaverville, NC 28787

March 6, 2004—Glass Replacement—JJordan Holtam -- JHoltam@mindspring.com. — Is it possible to replace only the lower (an larger) glass in a small roadside window of a 73 Avion 25" La Grande? The upper, smaller glass is okay; only the lower glass was shattered. The glass is approximately 27" w x 18" h. and is pPg Sunshade Herculite - Solid Tempered, which I guess is original. If the single pane can not be replaced, I will have to locate a complete window. I'm open to any suggestions. Jordan Holtam, 114 Sugar Cove Road, Weaverville, NC 28787. Email: jholtam@mindspring.com. Telephone AC: 828.658.1099 Thank you.Jordan Holtam, 114 Sugar Cove Road, Weaverville, NC 28787


March 13, 2004—RV History Samplings—Juergen Eichermueller — Eichermueller@baunetz.de.

Here is a list of the 6 CDs he has for sale along with price (add $3 shipping for up to 2):
Juergen has archives/files of most trailer manufacturers or the brand trailer that someone is looking for info on (files back to the 40s in some cases) and will add what I have to any purchased CD as a free bonus. Tell Juergen by email what trailer and he will add it to the CD.
1)     1959 Mobile Home/Travel Trailer Catalog with 2 bonus vintage magazines. Most of the manufacturers presented with specs and floor plans, etc. $9.99
2)     1956 Mobile Home/Travel Trailer Catalog with 2 bonus vintage magazines. A super collection with tons of floor plans & specs! $9.99
3)     1955 Mobile Home/Travel Trailer Catalog with 2 bonus vintage magazines. A super collection with tons of floor plans & specs! $9.99
4)     1953 Mobile Home/Travel Trailer Catalog & the 1953 Trailer Manual. The 1953 Trailer Manual is a ‘must have’ collection for renovation work.
        This is the manual that was used by dealers and manufacturers way back then. Also with 2 vintage magazines. $9.99
5)     Collection of 8 Vintage Trailer Magazines spanning from 1954 to 1961. A super collection for the trailer fan! $9.99
6)     Double-Deckers & 2-Story Trailers of the 1950s – a super collection of all the known double-deckers that were manufactured in the 1950s and 1960s. Most floor plans and interior shots included! If you aren’t familiar with the double-deckers then you will be surprised when you see this super collection. An absolute ‘must have’ for the vintage trailer fan! $9.99
To Order withPayPal::   Go to theSEND MONEYpage, Click onTYPE; Select any of theNON-Auction Payments Typetypes; and then write what it is for in theMESSAGEsection.
Then sendme an e-mailto let me know. Thanks —Juergen



June 30, 2004 — 1991 Avion Latchs Needed — Don Archer -Don6531@aol.com— trying to locate latch release handles or assembly for cargo doors on 1991 avion 5th wheel trailer they are flush mount 3and1/2 by 4 inches.they are made of plastic and would like replace with metal if possible. I have contacted Fleetwood but they do not have it in ther data base they said it was to old. Don Archer, EMAILDon6531@aol.com, phone 760 247098. Apple Valley, CA. I located the cargo door latchs for my avion atArizona RV Salvage. They were verey good to deal with. Their phone is 877 824 8242 orwww.azrvinc.com. thank you -DON ARCHER- APPLE VALLEY CA. Email:Don6531@aol.com
July 1, 2004— Good Morning from South Jersey. Many years ago, I had a spare tire carrier on a Norris trailer that I owned. It swiveled back so I could open the trunk door on the trailer. It had a hinge at the base of the support arm with a latch and spring assembly that held the arm upright and supported the spare tire. It was designed to clamp to a 4" square bumper. That was back in the days before radials and all we had available was bias belted tires. I never used the spare tire on that trailer. For some reason I don't think today's tires hold up as well as the old bias belted tires. I have experienced tread separation on two Good Year Marathons tires and one Nankang trailer tire in the past three years. After I noticed the tread separating on a Nankang tire on this trip, I tried to buy a set of truck tires that had the same weight rating as the Marathons. The tire dealer told me I would have to go to a 16" diameter wheel to get a truck tire with the 2550 rating of the Marathon tire. I don't think there is enough room in the wheel well of my Avion for a 16" wheel. I will do some research If I can find time this week. Maybe we can get a discussion about tires started on the web site. I really feel that an eight ply tire with a weight rating of more the 2500 lbs. should be available. For some reason, the special radial trailer tires do no seem to be holding up. One RV dealer told me that letting the trailer set in one place for more then one month causes the tread to separate. I don't know if that is true. If it is, I am guilty of doing exactly that and it might be the reason for the tire trouble I have had on my Avion over the past three years. I remember leaving my previous trailer set for months and never had trouble with the bias belted tires. My 87 Avion came equipped with bias belted tires. It sat over the winter and I never had tire trouble. My Suburban sets for months (We use it mainly for towing the Avion and our Boat) and I have never had a tire fail. When we are pulling the Avion, we make it a habit of stopping at nearly every rest stop to check the tires for tread separation. Because of the limited clearance in the wheel well, Avion trailers are susceptible to major skin damage when a tire blows out and that fact only adds to the stress while driving.. Over the years, we have taken three cross country trips. The longest trip was a large loop through the Southwest and up into Alberta. We saw many trailers and motor homes returning from Alaska with major damage. I remember thinking that I could not subject my truck or my trailer to that kind of damage. One traveler told me that most of the damage to his motor home was from rocks that speeding trucks, driving in the opposite direction, through up in the air. He said it was almost impossible not to drive into the flying rocks. That was back about 10 years ago. Maybe the roads are better now. I am going to check out a salvage yard here in South Jersey today for a piece of anodized aluminum. He as a reputation for carrying just about everything from nuts and bolts to heavy construction equipment. If I can just find a piece of anodized aluminum larger then the trunk door on my Avion I will be a happy camper. I will keep you posted. Bill Rahm, 5246 Greens Drive, Lady Lake, FL 32159. Home Tel. 352-750 4541 -- Cell 352-406-7328.WORahm,

July 7, 2004— (updated 5/5/2013) — New Linkhttp://avion.gradeless.com/floor/frdj:How to repair the floor in your Avion by Dee Jackson, Larwill IN.

July 7, 2004— New Linkhttp://avion.freewebsitehosting.com/clp/clp.htm: Avion Marker Light Project by Jim Nelson.

July 20, 2004 - Cargo Latches for 1991 Avion Found- I located the cargo door latchs for my avion at Arizona RV Salvage. They were verey good to deal with. Their phone is 877 824 8242 orwww.azrvinc.com. thank you - DON ARCHER- APPLE VALLEY CA. Email: Don6531@aol.com

July 20, 2004 - Rose Curtains needed- -I'd also like to post something to see if anyone has curtains for the 1987 X model, rose color scheme. We need to replace the front window curtain due to leaving the window cracked open while driving and water got in. Our contact info is:Porter Johns, Avion 11347, 4365 Driggers Rd., Waycross, GA 31503. 912 283-1672. Email:BPJohns@bellsouth.net.

July 20, 2004 - WD-40- I recently bought a 1977 Avion LeGrande that had been sitting for three an a half years. A tree limb fell on it an damage the left front corner and bent the rock guard. So I dissembled it to repair. The previous owner used duct tape to seal it up a little but was not successful, when it rained or snowed water and snow still got in. So I'm in the process of repairing the floor also. I needed some way to remove the duct tape adhesive from the exterior of the metal the only thing I had at the time was some WD-40 not only did it remove the adhesive it remove dirt ,grime, and most of all oxidization. Was I surprised! I shouldn't have been, after all it is a metal protector. It took old water stained oxidized aluminum metal and cleaned, shine, and made it look new again. Although, it has out shined all of the other expensive polishes and cleaners I have used on this trailer. I guess the proper way would be to clean with WD-40 then wash then polish. I my self prefer just to use the WD-40. You be the judge for yourself. The way I used it was that I took a thick paper towel folded it in to quarters then sprayed a little WD-40 on it an wiped, then followed the area with a clean and dry paper towel. Try it on a hidden spot and let me know what you think. -Dirk Hampton - hamp4sws@forbin.net.
[DrG's Comments: Learned aboutWD-40as a cleaner from Walter at Westward HO RV in Bradenton many years ago. That's what they wiped down every Avion with. I clean, then wash off and wax. If you leaveWD-40on it will attact dust and minerals from rain. I use a no scratch pad with theWD-40and it seams to clean off most anything without damaging the anodized surface, then wipe off the surface and then wipe really dry with a clean cloth to remove as muchWD-40as possible, wash with water and then apply wax. Protect-All is the brand I use because it is convenient (you can now buy it at WalMart) but the older time ATC Members liked ParFee. Any good Carnuba Wax will work as well. Have done this for years and it cleans the surface and the wax protects the sheen of the aluminum.Dr.G.]


August 1, 2004 - LED Lights for your Avion- I've been tossing the idea around since I was in Fairbanks, AK in June of trying to adapt the new LED light systems into my existing Bargman 84 tail lamps. Browsing the TDR website a few minutes ago a fellow TDR member posted the solution. This company,LED Trailer Lights.com, is way ahead of me. They have already developed and are marketing a direct replacement. Avions (Travel Supremes) and many, possibly most, other RVs and cargo trailers use the standard Bargman lamps. They aren't cheap, particularly when my TS uses four plus backup lamps, but the difference in visibility and safety provided by the LED lamps is worth it. Thought you might like to post this on your site. http://www.ledtrailerlights.com-Harvey Barlow — HarveyBarlow@sbcglobal.net.

August 8, 2004 - Common source for hard to find parts- Not many RVers know that Lowe's Home Improvement stores are an excellent source of many RV plumbing and various repair parts, even assorted hitch pins and other components. A shopper can go to the plumbing department and argue briefly with the (usually not well-informed?) plumbing clerks to locate the "Danco" special order catalog which every store has. The catalog contains many parts intended for mobile homes which are interchangeable with RV parts. Check it out next time you're in a Lowe's and make a mental note of the items available. -Harvey Barlow — HarveyBarlow@sbcglobal.net.

August 13, 2004 - Bogus Cashiers Check- Boy have I got one to tell you. I got a bunch of those foreign sounding email wanting to buy my camper, but this guy finally sent me a cashier's check for a real bank in Florida that was counterfeit. I called the bank when I received it because I knew it was hocus pocus because no one had said they were going to send any money. I called and they said that they have had this going on since last October. I am glad the guy didn't make prior arrangements because with a cashier's check, I would have let him have it. It looks real as can be. If he would have said "I'll be there on Saturday, for example, and I'll bring you a cashier's check" I wouldn't have thought twice about it and he could have robbed me blind!!!   I guess I got lucky, although I still need to sell it. I hate for it to just sit, not to mention the financial side of it. Let everybody know so they don't take those bad cashier's checks. Thanks,Daniel.Ruff@ArvinMeritor.com

August 17, 2004 — Skin Damage on my Avion — Robert Montgomery— bvmontgomery@msn.com— I am writing for advice on repairing the exterior skin of the above trailer. I have damaged the top right rear corner panel on the exterior only. I'm thinking about trying to remove the interior in this area to gain access to the inside of this corner section. Maybe this way I could repair the damage corner by pushing the bent material out. We would have to remove the area above the shower and tub down to the fiberglass shower wall. Also a small selection of the ceiling directly above the tub. A small cabinet on the back wall above the window would also have to be removed. My problem is working with the rivets that hold everything together. Removing and replacing? Also where do I obtained replacement rivets and what special tools are needed? If you think this is the wrong approach to this problem please advise me. There is no one in my area that will take on this job. It might be best to replace the exterior corner section for all I know. Please advise me of whom I should contact for this problem. Any information you can give me will be appreciated.
Answer:Cayo Repair Service, 4835 M-140, Watervliet, Michigan 49098. Telephone (269) 463-5068. Fax (269) 463-5073
Reply: Just a quick note to let you know I'm taking your advice and going to CAYO to have my trailer repaired. They are going to do the work on the 16th of this month. Again, thank you for your help in resolving this problem. They are going to make the repairs on that day and I will be headed back for Missouri.
Sidenote- On September 16th I was at Cayo in the Morning and told Alice that I said hello to Bob who was arriving an hour after I left.
Reply- Just a quick note to let you know we made the trip to CAYO repair. Just as you had informed me, they were very nice people. Alice told me you had said to say hello. Chuck made the repair and had us back on the road about 1 p.m. He did a very good job and I was very satisfied with his work. I'm sure glad I decided to take it to them. Again, thank you for your help and advice on getting this accomplished. Sincerely,Robert Montgomery

August 26, 2004 - Avion Electricals- To Anyone who can help: I am a professional electrical engineer with all kinds of experience with converters, chargers, electronic circuits, you name it. Recently, I have seen a number of comments on the wiring in an Avion trailer. If someone can send me a wiring diagram of an Avion trailer, I am sure that I can answer a lot of the questions. Recently, I spent the best part of a week trying to find a short in the wiring in my trailer. Two wire nuts that were underneath the furnace had fallen off. I had to take the furnace out to find the short. One was lying in the hot-air duct; I never did find the other one. Some "helpful" previous owner had taped the two power wires together, so it the wire nuts ever fell off, there would certainly be a short.
        In hunting for my short, I discovered that DC circuit 1, which supplies most of the things in the rear of the trailer has a 2.8 ampere load on it. I cannot find anything in the rear of the trailer that is on. Does anyone have information showing what is on the various DC circuits. I find both the manual on the Avion and the labeling on the fuse/breaker panel singularly uninformative on just how the trailer is wired.
A tip to anyone trying to find a short in the DC wiring. DO NOT use the charger; it will blow a fuse every time you turn the charger on to see if you have found the short. Use the batteries. The breaker on the DC panel will trip before the fuse can blow thus saving you a pocket full of fuses.
        If I were designing the electrical system in a trailer with a battery charger, unless there is something I do not know about, I would design the system so that it was not possible to supply DC from the charger to the 12-volt equipment in the trailer unless the battery was connected. The reason for this requires understanding what the 12 volt DC "looks like". Almost certainly, if you put a voltmeter on the output of the charger, you will read 12 volts DC. But if you put an oscilloscope, (a device that displays a curve showing what the voltage looks like), on the output, you would see what looks like a series of half waves. The "average" value, (technically the RMS value), is 12 volts, but in order to get an "average" value of 12 volts from a series of half cycles, the peak value has to be 17 volts. If you put a battery on the output of the charger, then the battery will be an excellent "filter", so it will prevent the voltage from getting to 17 volts. It will "fill in" the low spots between the half cycles, so the voltage will probably stay between 12.5 and 11.5 volts. In either case, the DC voltage is 12 volts, but in the first case it went up to 17 volts and down to zero, 120 times per second, but it the second case, it just went up and down a bit.
 To make matters worse, a battery charger can output up to 15.5 volts, but I do not know how the control on the charger works so do not know if it would output this high a voltage when it is first turned on or not. If it did, the voltage could be as high as 22 volts at the peaks or even higher. This might damage electronic circuits. If a battery is connected to the output of the charger when it is turned on, then even if the charger tried to output a peak voltage of 22 volts, it could not. I do not think that 15.5 volts applied to a battery should hurt electronic circuits on the same circuit because this is the voltage output by the automobile's alternator and by the charger to charge a battery, but I do not know. Whoever said, DO NOT turn the charger on unless the DC breaker on the panel is closed was absolutely correct.
 Re a voltage spike caused by a relay, this can only occur when the relay is deenergized. There is a very simple and cheap cure for this problem. Simply connect a diode pointed toward DC plus across the relay coil. In a well designed system, the relay coils should already have diodes across the coils, so this problem should not exist. — Dick Tremaine - eesco.dnai@rcn.com.


September 2, 2004 — Panel Indicator Lights — Vince O'Brien- Vince O'Brien— Thanks for all your work with this website. I own a 1987 34W Avion and am replacing a couple of the small indicator lights on the control panel. Cayo Repair in Michigan, did not know where to find these lights so I found the original manufacturer is still in business and I ordered some through their distributor in Michigan. The manufacturer is "SoLiCo" and their web address may be helpful for others looking for these indicator lights. www.solico.com SoLiCo does not sell direct, orders need to go through their distributors, found on their website. I didn't know if this source would help anyone, so to be sure I'm sending this. Thanks, Vince O'BrienTraverse City, Mi


October 26, 2004 - Avion Thermopane Windows- We would like to replace the windows in our 1995 30.5 fifth wheel trailer with double glass windows. Is this possible and at what cost? Walter Kehren # 15584 Iowa Unit. E-mail address:WEKehren@earthlink.net. Would like any infor. Thanks
November 19, 2004 — Tear over the door — Kent Reeve— Kent.Reeve@sas.com— What causes the aluminum skin to tear above the door on Avion trailers? I've seen it on several units, mostly on 34ft trailers but also on the 32 footer. It usually is torn at the above right corner of the door entrance. The 32 footer I bought several years ago had this problem. I covered it with waterproof repair tape and wonder if I need to do a more extensive repair. The tear (crack) has only grown an inch or so in the 4 years I've had the trailer. Thanks and I hope you are doing well. Kind Regards, Kent ReeveKent.Reeve@sas.com
Answer:Cayo makes a Repair panel (From the awning rail to the door frame) for that tear. Chuck told me about that part just about a month ago. Contact Cayo Repair Service, 4835 M-140, Watervliet, Michigan 49098. Telephone (269) 463-5068. Fax (269) 463-5073
Reply: Just spoke with Chuck at Cayo's, will order the repair panel. If you have put one in, any word of advice would be appreciated. Thanks,Kent

November 23, 2004 — Rock Shield Support Arms — Tony Sanders- sandersav@cfl.rr.com— Where can I find the adjustable support for the rock shield on a 1986 30’ Avion, Have tried local TT & camping supply but no such animal is available. Thanks in advance, — Answer: Cayo Repair Service, 4835 M-140, Watervliet, Michigan 49098. Telephone (269) 463-5068. Fax (269) 463-5073
Reply: Thanks for the help; I gave them a call and spoke with Alice as you predicted they had the parts, $43.50 for the set and I will be able to see light at the end of the tunnel again — Tony Sanders.


December 20, 2004 — Bath Fan — John Zettervall - Email:zettervall@nsatel.net— The bathroom fan on my '79 30-R was not working. The worst part was that the exterior plastic dome cover was cracked and broken. The fan assembly was a Hammond Model #CB-350-B. The assembly was cylinder shaped, 6" ID, and an 8" OD. I checked local RV dealers and learned that no one carried round bath fans. Next, I called Cayo (269-463-5068) and learned that Hammond was no longer in business. However, Cayo had a replacement fan assembly from another manufacturer which was a perfect fit and the cost was $70 plus shipping. The fan arrived two days later, and it was a perfect fit. The removal of the old fan was very easy. First, I removed four interior screws to get the trim ring off. Then I shut off the power and disconnected the wiring. Next, I went onto the roof and removed the caulking and other sealant (some of which needed to be ground off with an angle grinder). Eight screws hold the assembly to the roof metal and after removing those, I lifted the assembly up and off. A 6" diameter hole remained. Next, I cleaned the remaining old sealant from around the hole before applying a bead of new sealant. Then I dropped the new assembly into the hole. An 8" diameter flange is at the roof side of the assembly--which has eight screw holes. Then, I used eight new screws to fasten the flange to the roof metal and applied more sealant around the flange. The exterior work was complete after installing the plastic cover over the flange and opening (two screws). Next I went inside and reconnected the wiring (two wire nuts), and installed the trim plate. With the power "on", the fan worked perfectly. It turned out to be a very easy and rewarding job! zettervall@nsatel.net

December 20, 2004 — Replacement Latches — John Zettervall - Email:zettervall@nsatel.net— I have a '79 30-R. Several latches for the exterior compartment doors were either broken, missing or rusty. I didn't think the latches were available--but, it turned out that Cayo had them in stock for $3.87/each (Corbin Latches). I ordered several and they arrived two days later. The old latches were easily removed by drilling out or grinding off the old rivets. The new replacement latches were exactly the same and drilling new holes wasn't necessary. I used new pop rivets and the replacement was easy. John Zettervall

December 20, 2004 — Exterior Coach Lights — John Zettervall - Email:zettervall@nsatel.net— I have a '79 30-R and the three exterior lamps had broken lenses and rusty sockets. I didn't think they were available but Cayo had the exact replacement assembly for $8.31/ea. The exterior lamps were the porch lamp, hitch lamp and utility compartment door lamp. The old assemblies were easily removed with two screws and disconnecting the wires. Some foam insulation had to be cut out to make way for the new lamps--but, it was a very easy replacement. Now, all three exterior lamps shine! John Zettervall

December 27, 2004 — GMC/Chevrolet Truck Hitch Platform Problem — Paul Prather— AvionGuy@silveravion.com— I want to make owners of GMC trucks aware of a potential problem with hitch platforms suppled on tow packages of GM truck built from 2000 - 2004. This would include pickup trucks, subrbans, yukons etc. ::I was involved in a roll-over accident in 2001. The vehicle was a 2001 GMC Yukon. There is no positive cause for this accident but the hitch platform certainly would be one of the potential weak links. Other possiblities exist including a worn coupler. ::My current truck is a 2003 Yukon. It was supplied with the same design OEM platform as the vehicle in the accident. This design also appears on many GM trucks. In November 2004 while on a trip with our trailer we had a failure in this platform. The problem was corrected by the dealer installing a new platform on the vehicle under the warranty in effect. There were several cracked welds. This distorted the box into an upward angle and also bent it to the left. There is no question of this failure. The design of this platform relys on these welds more than more traditional designs. Traidional designs typically weld the receiver box to flat plate. The plate is then welded to the bottom of rectangular tubing used as the cross brace on the platform. The retangular cross brace passes through the side supports. This method distributes weight more evenly and the welds are not intregral to weight. The GM design has the hitch box welded to a flat c channel. This channel passes under a round cross brace in welded to the back of this round brace. Tounge weight provides downward forces that rely on the weld. I am urging owners of these vehicles to inspect their OEM platform design to undertand the potential problem. At the same time careful inspection of the welds should be made. If others find cracks in these welds or have already experienced failure we should accumulate this information and report it to GM and National Highway Safety. This spring I will replace this receiver with a traditional platform design from Reese or other well known hitch manufacturer. I am providing a link to some photos that may help with this explanation.http://silveravion.com/platform. Let's all be safe out there and watch out for each other. Thanks.AvionGuy@silveravion.com.


January 18, 2005 — NOTE CHANGE OF DATE ON SAF NATIONAL REUNION GATHERING - Bob Muncy, — By accident, theTravelcade Club roundupto be held in Indiana this summer was scheduled at the same time as theSilver Avion FellowshipGathering for Hudsonville. Vic Kerlin and I both checked the respective campgrounds to see if one could be changed to another date as we both had a deposit on that date for the campground. We found it most beneficial for the SAF to move our gathering date forward one-week which would then allow those silvers who were attending the SAF Gathering to also attend the roundup. This especially affects MI, IN, KY, and perhaps Ohio. So, with a tele-conferencing effort between Vic, myself, and the Hudsonville Fairgrounds manager, we decided upon the following. Please help us get the word out about this change and URGE all silvers to attend the Gathering and if they are members of the travelcade club, to also contact Vic to register for the roundup. We believe that anytime silvers USE their trailer, regardless of where they go, is in keeping with our purpose of the SAF. Don't let it sit in the barn all the time. Now, the new and correct dates:
SILVER AVION NATIONAL REUNION GATHERING, HUDSONVILLE, MICHIGAN FAIR GROUNDS: July 18 (Mon) to July 22 (Fri and departure day). Arrive early, i.e., July 16 or 17 and help us with this once a year gathering. Volunteer to: Earl and Hazel Meyers, 329 W. Pine, Fremont, MI 49412 or Bob and Jewel Dee Muncy, 255 Redbud Circle, Martin, TN 38237.
Travelcade Club Roundupfor MI, IN, and KY. July 25 - 29. Contact Vic Kerlin for details. This will be held at Greenfield Indiana on July 25-29, 2005. — Thanks for your help in getting this word out. — Bob Muncy, SAF


April 8 2004-April 2005—       While on my way to Indiana on April 8th, I suffered a massive heart attack on US-30. Pulled into a truck Stop at Hanna, IN went into the Arby's and asked them to call for an Ambulance. Emergency Squad arrived quickly (aspirin, shots, IV, etc) and we went to the Porter Co. Memorial Hospital in Valparaiso where a heart specialist was waiting. 100% blockage on Rear Artery and 95% on Front. Several Angeoplasties, 5 stints and a week later I am released to relatives where I am recovering. Am now recovering in Indiana and will return to Wisconsin in a few weeks. I acquired a laptop computer at Sam's and am updating pages from here.      Improving daily.
Rehab did not start two weeks ago and saw the Dr. again this week and they might schedule rehab in the future. Obviously his opinion of my health was not as good as I was feeling.
If you send Email and I don't respond within two days, please resend it and be sure you have "AVION" somewhere in the subject as I am reading with an online remote email reader and a very very good SPAM filted that is catching 80% or more of all Emails which are spam but I do find occasional Avion Mail in there. If Avion is not in the subject I might not notice the email. I am walking 1-3 miles daily and with the weather improving will continue. Was not able to make it to the SAF Meeting in Elkhart.
     June 20- Returned to Wisconsin to visit post office, get mail and have it forwarded for the next two months to Indiana: 1390 N SR-5, Larwill IN 47874. Picked up new camera that came in early April that I missed before coming to Indiana for Easter. Made theSR-Illinoisboard meeting in Northbrook on Saturday as I was returning to Indiana.
     June 28- Now starting third week of Rehab at Warsaw, IN. Spending about an hour a day there exercising and still dropping in weight. The diet is still working but still not fun. Was suprised when Mike Jones of the Indiana Avion Unit stoppd in on Sunday. He was driving back to his home after a weekend at the lake and saw my truck sitting next to my parent's Avion and stopped in to wish me well.
     July 15- Still in rehab at Warsaw. Finishing Week 5. Weight still dropping (but much slower). Harvey Barlow from Texas stopped in last weekend. Received Email that he is now placed his Avion 32-S on the market. See the ad below. Wish I could be traveling in my Avion. USPS has been forwarding mail from Wisconsin so I am now getting all the bills here. Nothing new to report other than I've had to add a set set of holes to all my belts as they keep getting larger and larger.
     August 9- Spent four days last week with various Doctors and tests. Finished Cardiac Rehab last Friday. Weight was down over 70 pounds from April. Called today and still no report on the heart tests until next week. Blood Chemistry was good but heart tests are awaiting analysis. I was amazed my heart could beat that fast! (Don't know if that was good or bad but I'm not an MD). I finally completed my goal I had for Easter Vacation; I along with my uncle went to Watervliet to visit Cayo. $126 later I had my bag of small hard to find parts! Alright, a spare cap for my Hammond Skydome is not that small but I have one when I need it. I will have a very happy little Avion as soon as I get home and all those little parts installed or put away for when they are needed. Hope to travel with relatives up to my home for a day at the Wisconsin State Fair and then return to Indiana awaiting results from the tests then I can return home to get ready for another year of teaching! Four years until retirement. Uncle was able to look at some Avions for Sale in Watervliet & Elkhart but was not impressed with with the units we saw. I'm feeling fine and ready to return to work. Hope the tests show the same.
     September 2- Medical reports are back. School is back in session and I'm at home. No return to work. The tests showed heart ejection fraction of 35%. School District informed me that I was permanently disabled and covered on the district's disability insurance. Doctors and school will not allow a teacher to return to the classroom with that much heart damage. My doctor (for over 20 years, a really good cardiologist, FACC, FACG) here made it clear that I would not return to the classroom unless I wanted to DIE! He made that very very clear. He also put me on some long acting nitro and that has helped a lot. So. I'm trying to reorder my life as fast as I can. I'm still on sick leave and then to disability insurance and applying for pension. The school district says that I qualify for those so am following their advise as well as the doctors. Not the way I was planning retirement but appears medically, that is the way it will be. I now need to find a less stressful life.. Now I can stress out on dealing with the disability insurance, pension, less income, medical bills, etc. etc. etc.. I am now thinking that I can use the Avion 12 months of the year instead of just 2!. I've started cleaning the skin on the Avion and applying wax.   Wax on, Wax off (seems like I've heared that somewhere before).   No hurry, but the Avion has been sitting in the driveway since April waiting for me. Still exercising, doctor increased carbs from no more than 15 to no more than 50 per meal and weight has stabalized for a while at a 75 pound weight loss.  Lost 8" at the waist, dropped 2 shirt sizes smaller. At least now, I won't have to buy all that "Back to School" clothing, that could affect the entire economy. Time to think about stamp collecting, genealogy, photography and traveling in the Avion.
     October 8- Am getting adjusted to a new life. Doing 9-10 hours of sleep daily. Have been getting the Avion ready for its maiden voyage hopefully in a week. Am stocking the trailer with the basic essentials. Two weeks ago went to Sun Prairie, Wisconsin to see Chris Feller's 1961 Avion that he has been restoring. Hopefully he can have it ready for the 2005 Tin Can Tourist Spring Rally which is featuring classic Avions. Really great to see the work he has been doing on his unit. Then I went with my brother to Iowa to visit his son's family for the weekend and then back to Indiana where my Aunt and Uncle from New Mexico were visiting with their Airstream in tow. Last year his barn burnt along with his Airstream so it good that Max and Margaret have another Airstream (SOB) and are on the road again. Stopped at Berning's Airstream in Fort Wayne and picked up a few parts that you can only be found at an old time dealer. Looked at the new Airstreams which reinforced how much I like my Avion. Located various light bulbs 105, 1139, 1141, 1156 and 1895 and should have all the lights back in operation by tomorrow. Have the LED taillights waiting in Indiana for the trailer to arrive. Dee took the first set I ordered out to his band saw and modified them to fit and put the first set in his Avion (just to see if they would fit, and they did) so I ordered another set. They sure improve the looks when they light up. Installed the winterizing valve ahead of the pump this week (I need to grow longer arms to reach the back of the cabinets and next week I will discover if the lines are all tight. The pressure tank might wait until spring to be connected. Made a set of Rock Shield Props from 3/8 aluminum rod. Not the neatest job but it sure does a nice job of holding up the rock shield. Have plans to make a lift for the full mattress. Amazing at how long it is taking me to find everything that I might need for the trailer. Received the results of the blood tests taken two weeks ago and the results were on the very good side of positive in every category. Have another Echocardiogram scheduled in four weeks to see if my heart is regenerating muscle and working better. I am still feeling better each week. Sure miss not going to work but wouldn't be able to maintain the pace needed to do the job like I used to. Maybe I was doing too much. The SR-Wisconsin (Sons of the Revolution) meeting is tomorrow so I have to get the annual reports ready before the meeting tomorrow. Then I will be able to take the trailer out. I will head to Indiana to rest, regroup and finish repairs and the bed frame and then on the weekend of the 21st take the Avion to Monroe Resevoir near Nashville, Indiana on its first real trip to see how things are really working. Will be with two Avions and a fifth wheel on a family outing. If my aunt and uncle (Gary & Phyllis) haven't found an Avion by then, they will enjoy my Avion for the weekend. Am still considering rather I should plan on taking the Avion to Florida for the winter or pump it full of antifreeze and stay home and watch the snow fly. Decisions, Decisions, Decisions. - DrG.      November 18- The Avion has finally moved but is awaiting a new furnace. The Avion is currently sitting at the RV Center in Columbia City, Indiana awaiting the arrival of a replacement furnace. With the Duo-Therm needing a new circuit board and blower motor I decided that a new Suburgan was in order and am now in the second week of waiting for the furnace to arrive. Hope to leave shortly for Florida. Updated the webpage to remove SOLD units. Was amazed at how few people are donating for buying or selling the Avions we have been listing. - DrG.
     December 17- Arrived in Florida Monday Morning and have parked the Avion near Frostproof (hopefully for the next 3-4 months). Everything seems to be working except the water heater which shuts down after about 5 minutes of running (will look into that shortly). Verizon will be installing the telephone connect to the Avion on Monday Morning and I will be back on a regular basis. Hope to get some needed rest from making the trip. With frost and cold on the schedule for the next two days I can stay instide and catch some zzz's. Wisconsin Avioners are in the neighobring parks. Aunt and Uncle have their Avion put away until spring but arrived at their park near Sebring yesterday. Parents have their Avion parked 3 lots over. Naturally we brought cold weather with us to Florida so in a few days it should return to Florida sunshine and then I can wipe the Avion down to remove any evidence of Chicago and those Indiana snow storms that have accumilated. So as soon as I catch up on rest I can again clean and wax (again). Notice I am waiting for the warm weather to return. Just as I hitched up the Avion for this trip I receivedphotos of Chris Feller's Avion Projectand have added the link to the photo above, check them out. This will be a real beauty by next spring. Hope it can attend the Tin Can Tourist Rally next May in Michigan where AVION will be the featured coach. - DrG.
     April 9- Arrived home in Wisconsin last week. Left Frostproof March 25h and followed parent's Avion back to Larwill, IN and rested for a few days. Except for four hours spent with the Sheriff's department in Georgia, when the bike rack came off the Avion depositing both bicycles in the northbounds lanes of I-75. A driver flagged me over and then I noticed there was no north bound traffice on I-75 which was quite heavy in traffice. Four hours later we recovered the remains of the bike rack and bicycles (still well lashed together) but the bikes did not fair very well with Dee's GT Streamliner appearing to be a total loss (both wheels bent, belts damages, gears, seat, computer, lights, and maybe forks bent). My Huffy Cruiser (heavy American Steel) didn't look too except for damage to the seat and handlebars but had to leave the bike at my parent's home in Indiana as no room in the truck. Then left for Watervliet to Cayo's for some needed minor repairs on the Avion. While in Florida I discovered a minor water leak at the bottom of the wall and having previously checked everything and resealing the roof seals before going to Florida, knew it was something not clearly obvious. Also during high winds and rains noticed an unusually creaking from the area of the awning. The Zip Dees held up quite well in those storms that hit Central Florida this past winter. I should have put them up several times but high winds came up too soon to try and put them up in the wind. Alice from Cayo's called this week and my Avion is repaired and ready for me to pick up. When I dropped the trailer off in Watervliet, Chuck Cayo inspected the Avion for repairs and then played with the Quadra-Steer, he quickly realised how different it was to back up an Avion with Quadra-Steer. He discovered some loose rivets at the awning brackets and some other minor repairs to do. He inspected the furnace installation done by RV Center in Columbia City last fall and approved at how they fit it in and connected everything. I never used the furnace while I was in Florida relying on a small electric heater instead. I also arranged to have all the roof caps seals replaced and a rear vent cover installed (I couldn't get to that before going to Florida), front awning bracket tightened, a new electrical cover slip installed, a new radio Antenna, main tank water drain valve, and some rivets replaced. I was suprised when Alice called so . I will now make a trip to Michigan to pick up the Avion much sooner than I had planned. Hope I will be able to make it to the Tin Can Tourist Meeting in Michigan in May where Avion will be the features trailer. I have now been home longer than any time since my heart attack last spring. Lots to do and a still a lot of adjusting to do and lots of details to take care of. Made my cardiologist appointment and he made some more changes to medication. — DrG.



May 6, 2005— I picked my Avion up at Cayo's in Watervliet this week and thought I would check on current prices for some of the common items that I get asked about every week. So thought if I posted them (they are always subject to change) for everyone.
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             May 2005 Prices for some frequent common items
             at Cayo, 4835 M-140, Watervliet, MI 49098
             Telephone (269) 463-5068 Fax (269) 463-5073
             Hours 7:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Eastern time.

             Rock Shields 1973-1987            430.00
             Rock Shields 1988-1990            465.00
             14" Roof Vents w/foam              60.00
             14x14 Roof Vents w/foam            85.00
             18" Roof vent w/foam               75.00
             Roof Vent Gasket Foam 14" vents     8.67
             Roof Vent Gasket Foam 18" vents    12.28 
             18" Divertors for fan              52.00
             Molded Tank Cover lids             62.00
             Molded Step Cover                  65.00
             Battery Lid 1970-72 Bayview Win    40.00
             Latches (metal) Corbin              3.87
             Latches (twist) Swell               8.11
             Belt line vinyl insert (per foot)    .70
             Floor line vinyl insert (per foot)   .18
             Window gear box 1978-90             7.18
             Jensen light covers (new style)     3.37
             Labor Rates (per hour)             68.00
 

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New style Jensen light covers are clear in the center rather than the older white ones. Remember to buy in pairs so your covers match. For those who are make a mistake and put in 18 watt bulbs in their lights rather than the 12 watt bulbs will need new lens covers. I noticed Walmart sells RV bulbs 2/99ข but watch that you buy the 12 watt blubs so you don't melt your lens covers.

Donald E. Gradeless              gradeless@gmail.com
2655 Fairview Lane               http://www.gradeless.com
Brookfield, WI 53045-4117        AC 262-938-0799

July 9, 2005 — 1970 Owners Manual — Dwight and Mari Slaughter— d.slaughter@mchsi.com— We have a 1970 model T-28 manual.   We as new camper owners are still learning things about our camper.   We will share so others are not as confused as we are.     Dwight and Mari Slaughter, 604 West 2nd Avenue, Indianola, Iowa 50125.     email d.slaughter@mchsi.com..


November 28, 2005 — SILVER AVION FELLOWSHIPFred Meyers
You will note some new features for the SAF beginning in 2006. We hope that you will agree with us that these are improvements. First, inasmuch as our expense fund is sufficient to provide “cash reserve backup” for the SAF operation, we will not solicit additional donations for 2006 operational expenses after December 2005. Any checks that we receive after that date will be returned. We appreciate the excellent support that SAF participants have extended in the past to make the program successful. If we need more money in the future, we will let you know.
We feel that the following events and procedures are in keeping with our primary goals of “...encouraging the restoration, upkeep, and use of Silver Avion RVs, sharing information about our RVs, and enjoying camaraderie with other Silver Avion owners.” We think this can best be accomplished as listed below:

  1. We have scheduled three rallies for 2006: These 3 rallies will be promoted in a separate flyer detailing each one.
  2. We are encouraging SAF participants who have interest in Vintage RVs to join the Tin Can Tourist Club and attend some of these excellent rallies, especially the TCT Annual Gathering at Camp Dearborn near Milford, Michigan in May soon after our Richmond, Indiana Rally.
  3. We will be making more use of the internet than in the past. Note the following internet sources that you are encouraged to visit: First, our primary site:http://homepage.mac.com/philipmuncy/AvionOur son (Phil) is managing this site, posting information and photos of some of our SAF rallies and events.
  4. We believe that the operational and correspondence expenses for planning, promoting, and executing the rallies can come from the Rally fees as part of the Rally budget (which is $15 per person for each Rally---this also includes all expenses of the rally --food, materials, door prizes, firewood, entertainment, etc.).
  5. By making extensive use of the internet, we plan to shorten the size of, and reduce the number of our mailouts thus reducing the printing costs, postage, computer expenses (cartridges, paper, etc.).
  6. Of course, we will still have some operational expenses; however, we now have a surplus that we feel will “carry us through 2006”. Maybe we will need to solicit donations after that.
  7. From time to time, We may feel the need to prepare a “paper” discussing some aspect of the SAF operation, or reproduce a document that will be mailed to our SAF participants. If the cost of these special mailouts requires some financial help, I will let you know.
  8. The database has been corrected. All persons who have NOT attended a SAF activity OR have not made a donation in the past 12 months have been deleted. We still have more than 200 on the mailout list.
  9. If you know of persons who want to receive the promotional materials and abbreviated newsletters, please have them send their names, US mailing address, e-mail address, and RV description to us.
  10. A New Wrinkle: In our effort to promote the exchange of information concerning restoration and maintenance of Silver Avions, we will bring copies of articles, reports, etc. (especially those with technical content) to be distributed at each of our scheduled rallies.
    You are encouraged to bring materials that you feel are appropriate (make about 35 copies). We will call these materials: AVION HANDOUTS.
  11. We will not be preparing and mailing the large newsletters that we have called the UPDATE in 2006.
In conclusion, we sincerely hope that you will help us in the effort to encourage the restoration, upkeep, and use of one of the finest RVs ever made -- the Silver Avion and Cayo RV. Bob & Jewel Dee Muncy, Program Directors Silver Avion Fellowship. To Contact us:
         Bob & Jewel Dee Muncy
          255 Redbud Circle
          Martin, TN 38237
         SilverAvion@frontiernet.net

November 28, 2005 — SILVER AVION FELLOWSHIPFred Meyers Plans are being made for a SAF Silver Avion caravan to depart the SAF Richmond, IN rally on Monday, May 15, 2006 and arrive at Camp Dearborn, Milford, MI (for the Tin Can Tourists Annual Gathering) on May 18th. Participants must be members of the Tin Can Tourists with plans to attend the TCT Gathering at Camp Dearborn. This will be a leisure-travel caravan, covering less than 100 miles each day. Travel will be in small groups, everyone stopping at the same place early each afternoon. Stopping points will be determined at Richmond and reservations will be made. Attractions will be visited by car-sharing at each stop. Each day will begin with a group breakfast before departing. No kitty fee. We'll pass the hat for coffee/food expenses and everyone will pay their own camping fee. If you are interested, please let us know: Bob & Jewel Dee Muncy.SilverAvion@frontiernet.net.


December 1, 2005 — Thanks toPat Rosend-PRosend@yahoo.comFairfax, VA — we now have listed a complete 24 page 1972 Avion Sales Brochure online: Page 1- 2- 3- 4- 4- 6- 7- 8- 9- 10- 11- 12- 13- 14- 15- 16- 17- 18- 19- 20- 21- 22- 23- 24


February 12, 2006 — Bob Sims I am looking for Avion owners that have used a Air Ride Hitch (airridehitch.com). I would like to see any available comments on the use of the Air Ride Hitch or any other hitch that provides a more comfortable ride. My wife and I have a 1986 34v silver edition number 102, and we pull it with a 1997 Dodge ext. cab long bed. I realize that the harmonics created with that wheel base is part of the problem.
The Mfg. claims that the hitch will virtually eliminate the trailer surge caused the joints in concrete highways etc. It is a documented fact that all Civil Engineers that work on highways have mastered the art of pouring the segments of a concrete highway at consecutively different levels. I need help in overcoming their creativity. I do have a 2500xlt diesel. The ball on the hitch would have to be moved up about 1 inch to be level. I have yet to pull a trailer on a poorly built concrete interstate highway without getting jerked around. Have you looked at Air Ride Hitch ? They make some interesting claims. I would like to see if any of your readers have any experience with the easy rider or any similar hitches. rrsrobroy@aol.com


March 22, 2006 — KBC Door Locks on Avion Motor Homes — Elton TworkElton@POBox.com(This information is current as of March 2006.)  These instructions are in regard to the entrance door latch (door lock) on the 1978 and 1979 Avion Motor Home.  I understand that the same latch was used on a few vintage Airstream trailer models. It may possibly be in use on certain 1980’s Excella, and Late 70’s Overlander models HOWEVER I CAN NOT CONFIRM THIS.
          The door latch was manufactured by the Keeler Brass Company (KBC) in Michigan.   The original KBC latch handle measures approx. 1 15/16” wide by 4 1/16” tall. The information contained in this posting does NOT apply to the 3” tall KBC latch handle which was also apparently used on some vintage RV models.  The exterior door dimensions for the entire door latch unit are approximately 4” wide by 5 พ” Tall. The key hole is centered at the lower portion of the latch. I discovered that these parts have not been available since 1983

The model number of the latch handle =KBC 35143.
The model number on the inner surface of the main latch body =KBC 35151
The model number on the inner surface of the interior door plate = KBC 35117

          On March 10, 2006 I installed a re-manufactured latch because my original part cracked along stress points after 30 years of reliable service. New parts for these latches are not available according to DOZENS of inquiries I made at RV parts dealers, RV salvage yards and discussions with Avion and Airstream enthusiasts and repair professionals. Not even the Cayo family repair service in Michigan could help!
          Fortunately, I finally located and purchased a replica latch handle from an RV salvage yard / machine shop for $50.00 plus tax & shipping. The representative said they have several remaining in inventory as of March 2006. Contact information for this supplier is as follows: Singleton’s RV Salvage & Sales, 383 Nelson Rd. Rochester, WA 98579. The phone number is (360) 273-9566.   Their website (www.olywa.net/singletonsrv/) has photos of the heavy-duty replica handle in their “new & used parts” section. They also have the inner slide portion of the latch available for the KBC lock (The part that retracts into the door frame).
          The handle that I received from Singleton’s did not fit properly as shipped and is not an exact match. However, the handle is much sturdier and is milled from a single block of solid aluminum!
          In order to make the part fit I had to slightly enlarge the two holes that the roll pin fits into with a 17/64 drill bit (.265). I also had to use a Dremelฎ tool with grinding/sanding wheel to camber the top surface of the latch handle on the left side (particularly the top left and lower left corners) in order for the latch to reach a fully open position when mounted in the latch chassis. This work was not difficult and the end result was attractive, functional, much more durable, and did not detract from an OEM appearance.
          If you need an entire latch set, I was able to find one used unit, complete with keys, at Bob Cox Camper Country. They can be reached at 1-800-688-0825. I was told by the representative that the unit’s condition would be rated as 4 out of 10. Originally I was quoted $217.50 + Shipping. However, I haggled them down to $167 before deciding not to order it and tune-up my existing lock instead. My guess is that this is one of the last remaining latches in the country. With this used latch and the replacement handle I suggest above, you might get a functional system. I spent over ten hours one day trying to locate this latch/lock and I hope that this information I have provided keeps others from wasting their time!
          Replacement lock tumblers in new and unused condition, complete with two keys can still be obtained (as of 03/2006) fromwww.VintageTrailerSupply.com. Their part number is VTS-299. [This is the part I ordered and it was a 100% OEM match. The phone number is (802) 225-8940.
         www.RVshop.commay also have the part available.
          (It is my belief that this Keeler replacement tumbler with keys is the only new replacement part available for these vintage door lock systems!)
          I have posted this information because I have read numerous stories regarding difficulty locating KBC lock replacements on the web during my own research. I have even read about people who have spend hundreds of dollars custom manufacturing components for this lock at machine shops or replacing their latches with another brand after considerable expense for bodywork due to the original latch’s large size.
          I have photographs of the original KBC lock and latch system with the 4” handle as well as my re-manufactured unit available by request. Feel free to contact me for assistance with this matter.
          If you own the very rare 1977 or 1978 Avion Motor Home I would particularly like to hear from you! I have been full time in mine since 2000. (Mine was manufactured 03/1977) — Elton TworkElton@POBox.com— (This information is current as of March 2006.) — Return toDoor Locks.


May 11-14, 2006 —Coming soon links to the 2006 SAF Rally in Richmond -


May 20, 2006 — 1989 2nd Edition Sales Brochure —Jim_Morrison49@yahoo.com- Jim sent .pdf files that have been converted and rotated into .jpg for display. Here are the links. 1989 Edition 2 Sales Brochure (Jan 1989 the earlier 5/88 edition 1 did not include the 28' model which was added midyear.) (very large files) Page 1- 2- 3- 4- 5- 6- 7- 8- 9- 10- 11- 12


May 20, 2006— 1985 Sales Brochure 10/1984 Edition 2 —DrG— After a long time I'm reposting the files that I used to have listed on free web space that were lost.
. Because of the large sizes if the band width become excessive, I will have to remove them.
19771977 MH22
19821982 Sales Brochure
19831983 Spec Sheet
19831983 Sales Brochure 3/83
19841984 Sales Brochure
19841984 Trailer Life 30-R Review
19851985 Sales Brochure
19861986 Sales Brochure
19871987 Sales Brochure Edition 2
19881988 Sales Brochure
19901990 Basement Model Brochure
19901990 Standard Avion Trailer Brochure
19901990 38.5M Fifth Wheel Brochure
19911991 specification Sheet
19951995 specification Pages
20002000 partial specification Pages

June 18, 2006 — Somehow over time parts of the listing have disappeared and here is another link to Jim Simmons S-18[Click to view those photos.]athttp://flickr.com/ph/aviontubby/my_photos


May 6, 2007 — Rusty We lost our beautiful 34-V to 'black ice' in Las Vegas New Mexico (we rolled and are lucky to have survived). Now we are locked in a struggle with Hartford Ins Co. over our trailer. AARP Hartford were using the comparable of an 83 Holiday Rambler and offering $2300. We had about $8500 in our Avion. Any help is appreciated. I have sent 17 ads from local and national newspaper classifieds, craigslist, ebay and others. Almost all were rejected by Hartford. They denied ebay ads because it is an 'auction site'. When I pointed out that the ads I had sent were completed sales, they responded with the same retort. They denied the craigslist ads because they could not contact the sellers because of the disclaimer 'no, you may not contact the seller with commercial' etc. at the bottom of all craigslist ads. I have pushed them from $2300 to $5500, more by persistent harping than logic. I have filed a complaint through the New Mexico Public Regulatory Commission. I have asked for AARP to intercede with zero results. (I believe they are now only the advertising arm of Hartford.) Hartford has now stated they will not consider any further input by me. I must hire an independent insurance appraiser and if the new appraisal is higher, pay for half the fee for an arbitrator to decide on a value. I contacted an appraiser in Santa Fe, he gets $400 and has no prior knowledge of Avions or even Airstreams. (By the way, Hartford would compare an aging 81 Holiday Rambler to the Avion but says the Avion is not comparable to an Airstream.) Encourage all who read your column to photograph the condition of their trailer.


March 28, 2008 —It has been years since we have all seen these warnings (like 30 years! but just a reminder to not mix your wheels and to check your Grounding lugs on the converter. Enough said.


NHTSA Campaign Number:  78V134000 
Vehicle/Equipment Make:  AVION 
Vehicle/Equipment Model:  AVION 
Model Year:  1978 
Mfg Component Desc:  SERVICE BRAKES, ELECTRIC 
Mfg Involved in Recall:  FLEETWOOD ENTERPRISES, INC. 
Manufacture Dates:  04-01-78 through 05-01-78 
Type of Report:  (V) Vehicle 
Potential # of Units Affected:  83 
Date Owner Notified by Mfg:  06-78-78 
Recall Initiated By:  MFR 
Mfg Responsible for Recall:  FLEETWOOD ENT., INC. 
Report Recieved Date:  06-78-78 
Record Creation Date:  10-79-79 
Defect Summary:   THE INVOLVED VEHICLES ARE EQUIPPED WITH NEW SPECIAL LUG 
                  WHEEL BOLTS FOR MOUNTING FORGED ALUMINUM WHEELS. 
                  THESE VEHICLES MAY EXPERIENCE BRAKE FAILURE IF BOLTS ARE 
                  USED TO MOUNT A STEEL SPARE WHEEL ASSEMBLY. 
                  THE BOLTS MAY PROTRUDE INTO THE BRAKE AREA WHEN FASTENING 
                  THE STEEL SPARE WHEEL. 
                  WHEN THE WHEEL ROTATES, THE BOLTS MAY CONTACT THE ELECTRIC 
                  BRAKE MAGNET CAUSING BRAKE MALFUNCTION OR DAMAGE. 
Corrective Summary:  THE DEALER WILL REPLACE THE STEEL SPARE WHEEL WITH A FORGED ALUMINUM WHEEL. 
__________________________________

NHTSA Campaign Number: 88V120000 
Vehicle/Equipment Make: AVION 
Vehicle/Eqipment Model: AVION 
Model Year: 1988 
Mfg Campaign Number: 
Mfg Component Desc:  EQUIPMENT:ELECTRICAL 
Mfg Involved in Recall:  FLEETWOOD ENTERPRISES, INC. 
Manufacture Dates:  07-01-87 through 06-01-88 
Type of Report: (V) Vehicle 
Potential # of Units Affected:  499 
Date Owner Notified by Mfg:  08-88-88 
Recall Initiated By:   MFR 
Mfg Responsible for Recall:  FLEETWOOD ENT., INC. 
Report Recieved Date:  07-88-88 
Record Creation Date:  08-88-88 
Regulation Part Number:  FMVSS Number: 	 
Defect Summary:  THE GROUNDING LUG ATTACHED TO THE METAL CASE OF THE 
                 120VAC/12VDC POWER CONVERTER DOES NOT HAVE REQUIRED 
                 GROUNDING CONDUCTOR CONNECTED TO THE CHASSIS GROUND SYSTEM. 
Consequence Summary: AN ELECTRICAL SHOCK HAZARD MAY EXIST IF AN INSULATION
                     FAILURE OF A CONDUCTOR INSIDE THE CONVERTER SHOULD OCCUR. 
Corrective Summary:  INSTALL CONVERTER CASE GROUND CONDUCTOR. 

SAF Homecoming Reunion Rally— July 16-20, 2008
Elkhart Campground, 25608 County Road 4, Elkhart, Indiana 46514,   (574) 264-2914.     www.elkhartcampground.com
Please register with either:  Ralph Burcar: (815) 856-2005 Or Bobbie Bailitz: Bobbierr33@yahoo.com.
Camping fees to be paid directly to the campground upon arrival.   Come join us for fun food and fellowship

September 4, 2009 — On December 29, 2008 Forest River acquired Coachman's RV division. They have posted the Trailer Life Towing Guides on their Website and here are those links:
        2009— 2008— 2007— 2006— 2005— 2004— 2003— 2002— 2001— 2000— 1999
2011 SAF Homecoming Reunion Rally— July 20-24, 2011
Elkhart Campground, 25608 County Road 4, Elkhart, Indiana 46514, (574) 264-2914. www.elkhartcampground.com for information contact FMeyers@ltcig.org.
Camping fees to be paid directly to the campground upon arrival.   Come join us for fun food and fellowship

July 15, 2011 — In reply to those you were disbelieving that long ago I saw a Ford LTD in Rhinelander, Wisconsin pulling a 5th wheel trailer here is an article describing the Ace Car Hitch (which attached to the truck) to allow the LTD to pull a 5th wheel trailer: Popular Science.. Photo of a car towing with the Ace HitchPopular Mechanics Mar 1975. And here is an article with a photo of the roof mountedFifth Wheel Hitch.

July 25, 2011 — The heat got to me. While trying to hunt for a small water leak and getting the parents Avion ready to hitch up to the Ford, the heat got to me. The heat index was 110บ and with my reduced breathing, etc. The forecast was for heat in the upper ninty's each day and high humidity with heat indexes forecast for 104-115 through the end of the week. The trip to attend the SAF rally in Elkhart got canceled. Well, Maybe next year. Maybe next week I will get the Avion to Potato Creek. DrG. HR NOSHADE SIZE=2> August 11, 2011 — EcoBoost meets 34-V — Can a 6 Cylinder Ford really tow a 34' Avion— A few weeks ago I was going to take the 34V up to Elkhart for the SAF Summer Rendezvous but the heat (heat index over 100 degrees every day that week) was too much for me so no trip with the Avion until yesterday.
        Well the Ford now has a Bed Rug (http://www.bedrug.com) and a Pace-Edwards Bedlocker  (http://www.pace-edwards.com/Bedlocker-Electric) installed at the TAG Outlet in Elkhart last week.  Today (less than 24 hours after being ordered) the DEBO Step (http://www.debostep.com) was delivered by UPS, so simple even I did it myself in under 20 minutes!
        Yesterday the F-150 EcoBoost took the 34-V on the road for the first time. So went out on US-30 and up to 60 mph and went a few miles and then onto side roads for the trip back. Trailer looked fine but pulling on the side road I pulled over and got out the tape measure (should have done that before) and trailer was low on the front so changed the chains but I have to raise the ball. So today I've adjusted the ball for the next trip and with some fine tuning on the chains and we should be ready for some major towing.
        The big question that was answered yesterday: Can a 6 cylinder Ford (3.5L EcoBoost) tow a 34-V? Easily. I had towed that Avion before using a my former GMC Dual Quad 6.0L 4.10 (Lloyd Nordstom now has the Dual Quad on his 28-J) and parents 6.5L Suburban Turbo Diesel, and before that it was my Ford F-250 460. The little V-6 seems to have more power and acceleration up to speed with the Avion, better than any of the former tow vehicles [That's a first impression]. Towing back on the side roads and up and down grades at slower speeds and the little EcoBoost did great. Plenty of power and no strain on the grades at any speed. Looks like we may have a great tow vehicle as soon as I fine tune the hitch.
        What a relief.  I was worried when I bought the ฝ ton GMC and it did what GM said it would do.  Now this ฝ ton V-6 Ford with the EcoBoost engine seems to have even more power than any of the previous vehicles we have used on it.  I will post more details on the website in the next few weeks.  Time and some longer trips will tell the real story but for now it's looking good.
        At 80 and still recovering from last years heart attack and open heart surgery; Dee has now decided he is getting too old to tow the Avion, so I will be doing that with the 6 cylinder Ford and he will be selling his Suburban Turbo Diesel; putting it up for sale some time next week. I will be posting it on the Avion For Sale site next week in case you might know someone who might be interested.
       
December, 2011: Chris Fellers Photos — Chris Fellers has reposted the photos of the floor repairs on his 1961 H-24. This is the best set of photos for anyone undertaking replacing flooring in a pre-1973 Avion (1956-1972). Click Here to view Chris Feller's Photos
             December 2011 
             Prices for some frequent common items
             at Cayo, 4835 M-140, Watervliet, MI 49098
             Telephone (269) 463-5068 Fax (269) 463-5073
             Hours 7:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Eastern time.

             Rock Shields pre 1988             558.00
             Rock shield ribbed for 1989-90  Call special order only
             Battery Storage Box             call special order only
             LP Bottle cover for Avions         84.00
             18 x18 Fan Shroud                  70.00
             Interior Shade cover for Avions   $56.00
             18 x 18 Vent cover                126.00
             14 x 14 vent cover                 79.00
             14 x 24 vent cover                113.00
             Refrigerator Vetn Cover           105.00
             Step Cover (exterior) for Avions   72.00
             All Price subject to chanbe without notice. 



Bud has updated his photos on his Boatable Avion. Check them out by clicking here: Bud's Boatable Avion
But you must join the Yahoo Classic trailerable house boats group to view them.

October 22, 2012:   1972 Sales Brochure (pdf) — We now have a .pdf file of the full 1972 Avion Coach Product Brochure from Dominic and Linda Brindisi, 2602 Radcliff Road, Dothan, AL 36303.  BrindisiD@sw.rr.com - This is possibly the most informative of all the sales brochures as it shows the manner in which Avion Travel Coaches were constructed. — 1972 Avion Brochure (pdf).
May 5, 2013 Just learned that one of the free webhosting sites went away and so I've found the files that and moved then to a new home — New Link http://avion.gradeless.com/floor/frdj: How to repair the floor in your Avion by Dee Jackson, Larwill IN.

Dee Jackson died in June 2012 but the photos and the Avion are still here. Later this year that Avion will be for sale possibly after July 2013. Someone looking for a 1984 34-V would be hard to find a nicer one. At the moment it is getting new tires put on the aluminium wheels.


July 2, 2013 — We have added a great 1967 Avion Sales Brochure [This takes some time to download please be patient} compliments of Mary Davis <MDavis@danacompanies.com>.  Check this out and send a thank you to Mary for this wonderful contrubution.

August 21, 2013 — As a heads-up for late 50's & early 60's to ?? Avion owners - whom I know of several who pulled their hair out when they lost their or the originals were so badly rusted.
    I found a source for reproductions of the original factory chromed hubcaps as used on that period's Avions.  We have a 1960 Avion T20 since last Jule `12, & after hunting around for OE style full wheel hubcaps, I found Hubcap Mike's in our hometown of Orange CA recently had them.
http://www.hubcapmike.com/cone-moon-hubcap-c5057.html
    I added them for the Pismo Vintage Trailer Rally this past May & the pix at the link are on our trailer.  I only had to use pliers to bend the holding tabs in a bit to fit the fatter original wheels on ours, but owners should try as is on their first.  No other fitment problems either - the center hub clears and the solid brass air filler lines up perfectly with the hole in the cap, and they stayed on for the 300+ miles from Pismo to Orange CA.
    They are an exact match for the 1960 Avion sales brochure pic of our T20 model (and the others in that year & close years), which I found at your website.  I've attached a pic of that here & of our T20, and you can go look up for the other years' brochures & ads.
    Maybe you can post something here for other Avion owners, and Hubcap Mike's also has a range of vintage baby moons & other trailer & auto caps in their range for those owners with other types of hub cap needs.  Just back-track that link above to the general website homepage & other caps link form there.  Best!
Tom Trischler - CATrischler@earthlink.net
August 21, 2013 — From Walt Brewer: WEBrewer@gmail.com —  Avion Postcard1975 Avion Brochure1975 Avion Specifications and Price List.
5 June 2014 — Really great website by Karen McCraw and Husband on rebuilding a 1973 Avion.   Check it out (from bottom to top):   http://1973avion.blogspot.com/..

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